Janus case

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  1. GTB4GT

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    The union is founded on the idea that it's members are willing to believe exactly as you do. I'm just saying that hasn't always been the experience. If the union is hostile or antaganostic, it will leave money on the table. The thing about the unions, they don't know the cards that the other side is holding. To assure they collect their dues, they ALWAYS say they got the best deal. But they rarely have...AND NEVER know what the other sides best offer was/is. And kudos on the stipend. Maybe you could have gotten it by yourself if you had asked?
     
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    Care to enlighten us with details of your experience?
     
  3. futuremathsprof

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    @Missy, then they should not have the tax collecting power that Uncle Sam does.
     
  4. TrademarkTer

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    The states with unions almost unanimously have better pay, protections, and benefits than those without. I think that's the bottom line. [Maybe I could've gotten it asking by myself, but I couldn't see myself just asking out of the blue.]
     
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    We have the option at my school to negotiate our salaries or we can elect to be put on the salary schedule. I chose to be put on the teacher salary schedule because I am maxed out in pay (Masters + Additional Units + Clear Credential) and receive a $5,000/year raise. That’s good enough for me. I think public schools should allow teachers to negotiate their salaries, especially if they have a proven track record (are highly effective) and have several advanced degrees. It boggles my mind that certain districts will pay PhD holders $50,000 in certain instances after several successful years in the field. It’s ridiculous. Everywhere else they would make more, but I guess the unions don’t value them enough.
     
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    Interesting. I'll take you word on this. What about working conditions. Would most say that the jobs are better for teachers in union or right to work states?
     
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    Of course the working conditions are better!

    I mean just look at this-----9 of the top 10 states for teachers are union states----only one RTW state in there

    https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-teachers/7159/

    And have you read about what happened in Wiconsin when the teachers unions were gutted?

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/17/news/economy/wisconsin-act-10-teachers/index.html
     
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    AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH you crack me up buddy.
     
  9. 3Sons

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    You're familiar with adjunct professor salaries?
     
  10. tchr4vr

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    I've worked in both-right to work and union- In the union state,
    • I had a closet for a classroom, (literally converted janitorial closet)
    • taught 6 different preps with no books or materials--two that I was not certified for (1st year teacher)
    • made a decent paycheck by money, but couldn't afford to live on it (NYC)
    • no stipends for extra-curriculars (I did chorus, drama club and tutoring)
    • no PD funds
    • no tuition reimbursement
    • was told by my district that I would lose my job if I went out on strike (we had a planned one when I was there), but was belittled when I told my co-workers that I would cross the line in the event of the strike
    In the right-to-work state
    • decent size classrooms, all at least real rooms
    • at most 4 preps, but asked for those - generally have textbooks and technology
    • paycheck is less than what I'd make in NY, but I can live on it, with extra
    • stipends for extra-curriculars, some tutoring (district specific) and Saturday School
    • PD funds
    • Tuition reimbursement (again district specific)
    So, I don't buy the "unions are better" argument. I'm doing better now without a union, and have for most of my career.
     
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    Of course, using your specific situation to try and make an argument.......

    There are exceptions to every rule.
     
  12. jadorelafrance

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    I work in a union state and have literally the opposite situation as you. Perhaps it was just a bad district.
     
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    Honestly those who live and work in a union state and work in a private school probably indirectly benefit from unions and collective bargaining and private schools have to keep wages competitive with the surrounding public schools to attract teachers. I’ve seen some salary guides in CA and they look pretty good (I know the standard of living is high) and I can’t imagine many private schools being much worse off.
     
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    You are partially correct. My schools offers competitive salaries to compete with the surrounding schools to keep talented employees on staff. With that said, my colleagues and I are paid extremely well (I will make max out at $100k in year 13) and we get better benefits in most cases. Case in point, our healthcare is 100% paid for by the school, so I pay zero, and our vision and dental are dirt cheap ($40/month in total for both); additionally, we get 1 prep period for each class, unless we want to teach more classes, and at the end of the year we can request to teach different classes within our subject area. The best part is that class size maximums are set at 25 and are never allowed to exceed that.

    I don’t need a union to have job security. Before any teacher can be terminated, the P must show just cause and it has to be approved by the school board. Basically, you know you have a job next year if student test scores exceed the national and state average, students and parents are happy, students continually show positive growth, and you are rated as an effective teacher or above. That’s all that’s required.
     
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    Absolutely! The private schools I've worked on need to be competitive compared to local (union) public schools so we end up with pretty good salaries/benefits
     
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    My thoughts on the case - fear. We have so much to lose. I have a very strong union at the moment- great health, dental, sick days that last through retirement, class sizes capped - high, but capped - and other things I don't even think about. Even the annual environmental checks at our school sites are due at least in part because our union stepped in. I don't want to think about what could be lost. Here's hoping that I am wrong. I am willing to be wrong. I just would prefer to not find out. I am hoping that this case does not break the bargaining power of our united coworkers. I hope I am wrong to fear.
     
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    I'm not worried. The Chicago Teachers Union has merged with the charter school union to offset anybody who dips out of paying dues. 100% of my school has re-carded and agreed to pay dues even if we don't have to. I anticipate most buildings will be the same. There are even amendments leaving potential future membership open to private schools.
     
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    How much are union fees, generally?

    Wondering for both those in and not in a union (if they're paying the fees talked about in the OP).

    I don't have a lot of experience with unions.
     
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    Our dues run around 1200 per year, but it's taken like $60 from each check.
     
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    I pay about $58 per month during the school year through an automatic bank draft deduction to be a member of my state NEA affiliate. It’s not technically a union, but an association instead.

    I paid $53-55 per paycheck, which could be 2-3 times per month during the school year, when I was a member of a union. It was significantly more money, and I enjoyed the benefits and responsibilities of my membership with the union much less than I’ve enjoyed my membership with the association.
     
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