Interesting footage.

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  1. blazer

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    Linked on a UK teachers' site.
    Extreme reaction by the boards if you ask me. mind you at least it was done in the open. In the UK this sort of decision is taken behind closed doors! Sound is quite quiet.
     
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    Wow. Looks like the officer needs some retraining.

    I think the board was also a little premature to throw her out -- generally a board would do so if she were being disruptive, but I don't think she'd risen to that level yet. They just didn't like what she was saying.
     
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    Not a big fan of defending people who are told they are going to be removed based on their behavior, then ignore instructions from an officer, then get upset about it.

    I support her position, but not how she went about displaying herself.
     
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    She addressed the committee and they recognised her to speak. When she started asking awkward questions they summoned the goon to take her out. She left peacefully when requested by the security officer. He then assaulted her after she had left the hall. Last time I looked you were living in a democracy which gives you the right to question those you elect to lead you. In the UK there would not have been a meeting, this decision would have been taken behind closed doors.
     
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    Not that I agree, but school board meetings have very specific rules to follow during open comment. Some do not allow questions and others do not allow comment to be about a specific student or person.

    It was handled poorly, and we don't really know what happened in the hall before the filming started again. We only know what was being filmed and aired to the public.
     
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    We have rules in our meetings and she broke them. Quite brazenly.
     
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    The people in the audience were saying that she was recognized. You can hear it on the video. She did leave when requested. I'm not sure what rules you think were broken, and brazenly at that, but it does seem that she was given permission to speak, was asked to leave when they didn't like what she had to say, left, and then was pushed down without warrant.
     
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    First, she received an opportunity to speak. Typically there are rules governing how long someone is entitled to speak. I don’t know of any BOE around me that lets the same person speak twice.

    The whole meeting was rediculous with very little control. She was asked to stop speaking multiple times. This was after her first speech. You don’t get multiple bites at the apple. There were other people there who could have spoken if they liked. They also had moved on to voting which meant the time for public comment had ended. They don’t have multiple speaking sessions for the public. This women wanted a debate which is not what the time is meant for.

    Im assuming you meant without warrant as without cause, not without an actual warrant. You were not in the hallway, neither was the camera. Failure to obey a police order can be a crime in some places. When told to leave, she did not do so willingly, he had to basically walk around and threaten to remove by force before she left as he got closer to the camera side of the room. That alone could be a lawful reason she was arrested depending on local law.

    Do I have an opportunity to speak at the board meeting?
    State law requires a public comment period at board meetings. Boards are allowed to establish reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner of public comment. For instance, school boards typically set guidelines on the length of an individual’s comment (e.g., a certain amount of time per person), so no one person dominates the meeting. There is no required format for public comment; some boards have one public-comment period in the middle of the meeting, some have two public-comment sessions during a board meeting.

    What is proper protocol for public participation?
    Comments from citizens generally go through the chair at the board meeting, usually the board president. Boards use the public comment period as an opportunity to listen to citizen concerns, but not to debate issues or enter into a question-and-answer session or a “cross examination” between the public and individual members. Be aware that not all issues brought before a board meeting will be resolved that evening; boards may respond to public comment by seeking additional information or by delegating the authority to investigate the issue to the superintendent or his/her designee. While public education can be an emotional issue, and understandably so, the board will strive to maintain a certain level of decorum at the meeting. Many meetings are recorded or televised, and students often attend or participate in the meetings. As such, citizens are expected to maintain tone of courtesy and civility.

    How does the board set its rules at the meeting?
    A local school board’s parliamentary procedure is a matter of local policy. Most boards follow Roberts Rules of Order, which describes how meetings are run, how motions and votes are taken and other procedures. The school board’s secretary can inform citizens on rules of order and other issues of board policy.
     
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    I reside here in New Orleans, LA- wherein the incident took place here in our state of Louisiana. I heard on the local news here that the city marshal who escorted the teacher out of the building was accused in 2012 for using excessive force previously against a 62-year-old man in poor health.
    http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana...cle_3ce3ba3e-f657-11e7-94cd-7746befdf4b8.html
    :)
     
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    There was nothing excessive seen in the video. I again question if we all watched the same video. Excessive force is more force than is needed by a reasonable officer. Did she get hit with a baton? No. Sprayed with pepper spray? No. Tasered? No. She was handcuffed after being non complient, at one point walked directly into a wet floor sign when she could have stepped aside, was walked to the car as he waited for backup. Likely so she could be searched by a female officer before being taken in. All very reasonable.
     
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    I agree. I don't think excessive force was applied either. The force used was appropriate for the situation, I only posted the above link for anyone interested in reading it. Honestly, I like hearing about gossip and wrong-doing in the world today like this incident. I record ABC World News Tonight and Inside Edition nightly, that's how I learned the officer was previously accused back in 2012- by watching the news.
    :)
     
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    Not surprised at all in our new political climate. "Hey, giving the boss that huge raise after we've had none for ten years seems a little unfair"
    Get her out of here and shut her up.
     
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    Not what happened.
     
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    Which video did you watch? That was exactly what happened.
     
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    They let her speak during her allotted chance to do so. They then voted. She got up and started speaking again. That’s not how it works. She could have started saying how wonderful they were, she still isn’t allowed to take over the meeting and speak whenever she wants.

    She was rude, and didn’t follow instructions. Case closed.
     
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    Some people just can't admit that people in authority such as school board members and especially police, can ever be wrong. It's scary how many people fall into an authoritarian mindset, "the police said to do something, and she didn't, so it's OK to knock her down and arrest her". Police have an incredible power and it is sometimes abused as we saw in the video. School board members and superintendents also can abuse their power, as we saw. People have the right to assemble and petition the government; it's in the 1st amendment folks
     
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    Thats not actually the reason they have the right to be in the room.

    Why aren’t students allowed to get up and yell at their teachers in the same way? Maybe their teacher is wrong and needs to submit to the student’s commenting.
     
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    When she spoke the board replied, engaging her in debate. Then when she said things that were uncomfortable for them to hear they had her thrown out. Democracy huh?
     
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    As I said, it was not a well run meeting. They aren’t supposed to interact at all.
     
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    Apparently, now the dumb superintendent has "resigned", before he can be terminated. It's all over the news media down here. Like we say down here in the NOLA "laissez les bon temps roulez" and "bon débarras"! :)
    http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2018/01/vermilion_parish_school_board_1.html
     
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