Discussion in 'Elementary Education' started by Julie9789, Oct 9, 2010.
Oct 10, 2010
Julie9789 - have you found what you need?
In math I'm focusing on - multiplying decimals first by grid, then by standard algorithm
I know all about the first link. That's what every single lesson is based on. It's like the school bible
I have the lessons planned out the best I can. I'm just going to turn them in and hope for the best. The worst he can say is "no you still did it wrong," but at least I gave him what I could work with. We'll see.
Thanks for your help.
Oct 11, 2010
I had to reread your problem at lest three different times and I still didn't believe what is happening. Your principal is either crazy or he found someone else he wants to give the job to and is trying to get rid of you. It is impossible that after teaching only two weeks the principal has already made these decisions about you. What is the job of the math and reading specialists if it is not to help the teachers and he certainly gave them no chance to help you.
That being said,I would write up the lessons to the best of my ability and if possible ask another teacher to look them over and make suggestions. I also might try to work with other teachers to share ideas and lesson plans.
My first year I took over after two months for a teacher in a fifth grade class with a register of 27 boys and 3 girls.Yes,it was even worse then it sounds. The principal wanted to get rid of me on numerous occasions and harassed me all year. I survived and have won numerous teacher of the year awards in my district.
HANG IN THERE. DO Your BEST. SORRY YOU HAVE To DEAL WITH THIS1 Good Luck
To me it's unbelievable that these situations can even be happening. I guess because I started about two months into the school year, and I had the total opposite reception. Everyone was so supportive... the teacher I was taking over for was with me at school until about 10pm the Friday before I started helping me go through the room and making plans. Everyone was offering to help. I had people stopping in to just check in with me and seeing how I was doing. A day didn't come by where everyone in my hallway popped in just to say hi, to make me feel welcome. I hope that things go better for you this week Julie! Please let us know how it goes, and if you need any more help!
How did your day go Julie?
It went ok. I turned in my plans and told the principal this was the best I could do with the resources I had available to me over the weekend. He said "ok."
Turns out the sub taught them their math wrong. The sub taught them to move decimals from the left to the right instead of right to left (after multiplying decimals)...so all their papers were subsequently wrong.
The P didn't come in during math though. Probably a good thing, I just about lost it with them. My defiant student told me "You know the golden rule where you treat others how you want to be treated. I think you want to be treated meanly...and that's why you are mean to us." Why? Because I ask you to get quiet 2-3 times and you don't, so I tell you to get quiet? You're not paying attention, passing notes, having side conversations? Yea, I'm the one that wants to be treated with disrespect/meanly. Grr.
Also, he told me that I don't make math fun. He said their teacher last year used poems and songs to remember multiplication facts and if I did that, then they would like me better. I'm sorry. I can't think of any other way to describe 2 by 2 multiplication than "multiply the 1's, multiply the 10's, add them together"
Then the former teacher's daughter who is in my class and tries to get away with murder was writing on her dry erase board (which I hate. I'm taking all their boards away tomorrow...it's nothing but notes back and forth) writes "Ms. B sucks" and some other things that I couldn't read from where I was standing.
Then again, what else is new? I love my reading class. It took them about 3 days to quiet down and get use to me being there. This class, we're going on 2 1/2 weeks now. Still rude and disrespectful. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. So starting tomorrow, they waste my time, I'll waste theirs (aka recess). I'll give them seat work for recess. I think one day will teach them to get quiet when I'm teaching. I rearranged my room this afternoon too. I took them out of tables (which is hard for me because I love group work) and put them in 2 E's.
The P did come in during reading when we (me and the reading specialist) were kinda sorta breaking the rules by working on their reading selection test WITH the students. I was modeling the BCR and we were doing it together, class effort. Oh well.
Blah. Rant. Sorry!!!
I started 6 weeks into school and haven't really had much support. I mean I got new teacher training in 1 day. 2 1/2 hours of math in the morning and 2 1/2 hours of reading in the afternoon. That's it. I send emails to other teachers and they often go unanswered.
Oct 12, 2010
Ok, wow... the time demands for the lessons are ridiculous! I don't know if 2 1/2 hours of math is typical for the upper grades, but it seems excessive to me. So I would suggest that you look at breaking it down differently. What does your 2 1/2 hours look like? My group this year is incapable of doing anything whole group. They just can't handle it. Kids are rolling around on the floor, talking, playing, etc. So this summer I read up on math workshop, and it has really saved my year for math! The kids love it, and I feel like not only are the kids learning the necessary skills much better, but I know their skills much better.
Maybe take a look at breaking it down like this:
30 minutes- whole group
90 minutes of workshop with rotations:
-1 group working with you
-1 group doing an independent practice (aka worksheets)
-1 group playing a math game
30 minutes- whole group to wrap up the daily lessons/activities
It does a couple of things. First, it only requires the kids to be on task for each activity for a max of 30 minutes... kids just have a tough time remaining on task for long periods of time. Second, it shows your P that you are taking some constructive criticism (yes, he may have been really rude when he approached you, but try to look at it as something to improve) and trying something different. Third, it makes math more fun for the kids. If they are begging you to do something different or fun, I think this would be a perfect opportunity to get them engaged. I definitely do songs (I just did the doubles rap this past week), but I don't come up with anything on my own. I just take some time to do some research. The internet is a fabulous thing (especially this forum, and the PT forums)... you can find so many creative ideas for lessons even if you are not a super creative person.
Ms.Jasztal is a 4th grade teacher (I believe) and has a website with some great ideas on math workshop!
If you are interested, I'm sure that someone can point you in the direction of some great math games (mine are all early elementary). I found a site with lots of printable gameboards that I printed on cardstock and laminated. I now have tons of games without spending a lot of money, or time! And they keep the kids occupied forever!
By the way, Ms.Jasztal's main site is:
in case you need anymore help!
No, I meant that my new teacher training consisted of 2- 2 1/2 hour sections. The first part I learned all about the math curriculum, the 2nd was all about the reading curriculum.
My math is an hour, then an hour of content, then in the afternoon we have a 2 hour language arts/reading block.
Lately though, it has been 2 hours of math. Think about it...I get through 1 lesson, in 2 hours when it's supposed to be done in an hour because half my time is spent managing their talking. That's ridiculous. I'm debating on going to my principal this afternoon. I'm out of ideas. He walks in the room and they get quiet, so he doesn't even know what I'm going through. Pshhh and he told me the reading class was the tough class!
I am so sorry about the difficulties you are experiencing. It doesn't seem like your administration is being supportive at all. It is especially difficult when you come in late in the school year, so it surprises me that after only a couple weeks the principal is talking about not renewing your contract. It seems like he should be working with you to improve instead. I hope things turn around for the best...
Are you in the union? If so, I would highly recommmend you make contact with your building rep for guidance and support.
I am a first year teacher. I don't have a contact, but my eligibility for a contract is what's up for debate. I haven't joined the union yet. I don't think I can until I have my contract :\
Today went even better. I laid down the law in my math class. I lectured them on how they were being disrespectful to not only me, but others who are trying to learn as well. I was going at it and the principal walked in. He didn't say anything and had a blank look on his face so I couldn't tell how he felt. However, at least now he knows how much trouble I've been having with this class. You better believe they were silent for the rest of class. So between that lecture and discussing the importance of knowing their X facts, I got math done in 1 hour 20 minutes! And crazy thing...they all got it. They all understood. And here's the kicker, they told me this was easy and that I'm a fun teacher. What?!?!?! HA.
Only problem I have is still the old teacher's daughter. I have to go to the P about her. I don't know if I can skip behavior steps if she says something directly to me (like today she said under her breath that I suck) or if there's other policies. I might need to make a phone call home.
I know if this were happening in my building, even if you didn't have a contract, our building rep would still sit in with you meetings with the principal, would still advise you as to what the P can or can't do.
Oct 13, 2010
You were previously an aide, right? I know some of our aides are also part of our union.
I think you should hang in there and just do the best you can! Maybe when your P criticizes, you should ask him politely,"What would you do in that situation?" He should be giving you some guidance, not just criticism.
As for the bratty potty mouth, yep, gonna have to confront that child, report, and find a strategy to shut her up! How about keeping her in at recess with a writing assignment. Talk to her about the disrespectful things you have noticed (calmly) then have her write a paragraph on what the problem is - her disrespect - and what her plan is to solve the problem. Then you can kindly tell her, "I'll keep this between us if you can solve the problem. I'll just keep it in your file. If the problem continues, I will probably have to do something to get some help solving the problem. But don't worry about it." Love and Logic! Drives them crazy! And you get to smile and relax!
I was an aide for 3 days when I heard about the job, and 2 weeks when I was offered the job. I may have gotten something from them...I just have find it.
I'm still trying to get myself organized. I look at my desk and my round table and it makes me want to cry. Like papers everywhere. When I went set up the room my main focus was about the kids - desks, walls, supplies. I figured I could take afternoons here and there to really sit down and organize my desk area. Yea didn't happen. I stayed after for 3 hours today and got some of it done. It's looking a little better. Thankfully Friday is a PD day and I can sit and organize some more. You know, grade a little, organize a little, grade, back and forth.
Oh you should've seen him today! He came to me and asked why I didn't give him my plans for Thursday math. I told him I planned on using it as a review day. He asked if the unit was over. I said no. There's still one more section. Puzzled, I explained that the next part was on Algebra...uh we've been working with multiplying and decimals. I was not going to have them switch like that on a last day, and then have 3 days for them to forget. He asked what in review I was going to do. Uhh multiplication. 4th grade GT and they can't even multiply single digits. Lord help us when it comes to 2-digit by 2-digit. They don't know how to carry and they want to line up decimals. Ugh. Sooo I'm going to set up stations tomorrow. A 24 section for when they 're finished EVERYTHING. A worksheet table where they'll work on a worksheet of their choice. Multiplication BINGO (direct instruction by me), Multiplication War, and a flash card table. Let them do it like centers. It will give me practice for when I could potentially have 2 group book model. Ugh. Actually, my diagnostically placed GT kids are doing better than the GT. I wonder why though...
Oct 14, 2010
I have to run but have to say that the boy who was SO disrespectful (golden rule, etc.) needs to have his parents called. That is totally out of line and innappropriate!!!
Yep. Wasn't offered my contract. So tomorrow (a Prof. Dev. day) is my last day. I have to enter about 15 assignments in the gradebook and then gather up my things and leave. Half my stuff is staying though because I don't want to leave the room too bare.
It was an hour long meeting where he and the AP nit picked at everything. He asked that morning what time I needed to leave by and I said 4:15 for class at 5. Yea...I didn't even leave school until 5. So I didn't go to class, not that I wanted to because I went to the car and just bawled.
I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds like the principal was out to get you. Hopefully, something much better will come along for you so you can look back at this situation and be glad that you weren't offered a contract to work at this school. It sounds like nobody at the school was supportive, including the other teachers who did not respond to your emails. No wonder so many of those kids are disrespectful. They are surrounded by adults who clearly don't model respect for others.
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