How long in your state?

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  1. viola_x_wittrockiana

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    I applied for an additional endorsement two months ago and still haven't heard back from the state. So much for 4-6 weeks. It took maybe a month to clear my initial license. How long did it take for you all? I'm starting to worry that I won't know in enough time to register for a summer class if I need one.
     
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  3. Master Pre-K

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    Sometimes things can get backed up in those places. They can get short staffed with budget cuts and absences. It wouldn't hurt to call and see where you are in the pile. I find that a phone call often pushes things along. They will admit to being behind, appreciate the time to talk to a live person who isn't cussing them out, and might move your application to the front of the line. ;)
     
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    They probably mean 4-6 business weeks and those days exclude federal holidays.
     
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    Update: FINALLY heard back (10 weeks after applying) and boy, am I mad. I'm not sure who looked at my transcript, but only two of eight SS classes (which all fall under the guidelines of accepted course material) were accepted as SS. I'm so confused as to which ones they took and why. To me, it should be fairly obvious that a course with "history" in the title and listed with a "socsci" prefix is a social studies course, but apparently it's not. So now I have to have a go-around with the state to find out which ones they took so I can appeal the others by sending in the official course descriptions. All of this is taking time I don't have. I'm going to be extremely upset if I miss this hiring season because the state can't get its head out of its rear. There are times I truly hate IL.
     
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    How did I know?? o_O Whazzsup neighbor!! :cool: Don't you just love the Regional Office of Education and the ISBE website??

    That's exactly what they want you to do. Turn that frustration energy into power. You want a piece of paper, uh sorry- an online deficiency notice that says, "Show proof you took a course entitled ABC that covers "direct instruction in local history and federal & state constitution" and we will give you credit." Dig deep in your garage and find every transcript from every place you ever attended. And yes, look online for the college catalog, and department description of each course. They are sticklers about that course description that specifically lists their credential guidelines. If it doesn't list this verbatim, don't bother sending it.

    Example:

    PSYCH 141 - Human Growth and Development
    ECH 404- Human Growth and Development

    Only one that works is the one that says, "lifespan physical and cognitive development of infants to young adults"
     
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    Chalk it up to ineptitude of public school districts and government agencies. Here in California, it took the CTC several months for them to read through my application and to issue my credential years ago, even though I had official transcripts from two universities for my Bachelors and Masters degrees in Math, printouts of all of my standardized test scores I passed (CBEST, CSETs, Praxis, etc.), official documents signed in the original ink indicating successful completion of my teaching credential program plus the accompanying transcripts, recommendation letters from the principal and mentor teacher, US Constitution exam certificate, application fee, plus else. I even put it in the exact order that’s posted on their requirement list and it STILL took them months to approve it. It is ridiculous how inefficient and moronic their departments are, which is why I hate bureaucracy.
     
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    I purposely sent in less just to get a deficiency statement. Then followed it word by word.

    That works.
     
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    Thank you. I was going nuts trying to figure out why in the world they wouldn't accept classes with the exact titles of their published acceptable areas of study. I'll have to bug my ROE about getting specifics. At least my ROE is in my city, so I can show up in person if that's what it takes to get answers. You can only send in six course descriptions, so I'll have to find out which two classes they counted. My deficiency statement is incredibly not helpful. "12 credit hours social sciences," is all I have to go on. My university is good about keeping old course books archived online, so some of that is easy, but I may have to try to get a retroactive description for two of mine. I took honors seminars that have painfully useless descriptions like, "advanced topics in social studies, content may vary," but the professors I had are still there and I'm on good terms with them.

    Ugh, this is one frustration I didn't need right now.
     
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    Isn't it ironic that it's called a deficiency statement..

    Been there, done all of that. Yes, you must go in and speak to a live person. I called because I was determined to get this done. You can do this.

    You may need to ask those professors to dig out old copies of your course syllabus (syllabuses, syllabi? :D) and email you a copy. That can make your case for you as well.

    All you need is to match that description, by any means necessary.

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    Bu bu but we have a teacher shortage and we're desperate! o_O
     
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    Yes, and my other name is “04”. (Type 04)

    I interview and the first thing they say is, “You have the 04”?

    Uh, I’m MPK and I’m applying for the....

    Across the room, a person shouts - “She has the 04?!!!”. Get the tax forms...fingerprints forms - you got a TB and physical, can you start tomorrow??”

    Sigh!!:confused: Don’t you have any questions for me??
     
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    Could you please elaborate further on this post? I’m confused by the “04” bit. Otherwise, lol.
     
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    Nice to meet you type 04, I'm type 10. You'd be surprised how many Ps don't know what a type 10 is. They tend to list a wacky set of required qualifications that aren't what anyone has. Being a 10-er complicates this though, because even though the state licensed me for middle grades, I'm not licensed enough for middle grades. It's kosher for me to teach them music, but I don't know enough not to damage the adolescent psyche if I'm teaching SS. :rolleyes::confused: I fished out two syllabi today, so tomorrow I'll have to dig for the rest and call my ROE.
     
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    It's an Illinois thing..:p

    Teachers are credentialed or certified by grade level. I am a certified Type 04, which allows me to work with children ages 0-8 or preschool to 3rd. f I chose to return to public school, I never have to worry about a P putting me in 5th grade.

    viola_x is a Type 10, which is Special Education with a Speech and Language endorsement.

    Elementary (Type 03) and Secondary (Type 09) teachers need a subject matter specialty. I don't. You can also get endorsements, such as Sp. Ed., Speech & Language, and ESL. Type 39 is a sub, which can teach all grades. Basically, that's what I had in CA. They qualified me to teach college! :)

    Type 04s can add an ESL and Sp. Ed approval, which makes me high in demand....
     
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    This makes so much more sense. Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I was lost before.

    Isn’t it just wonderful being in high demand? It reminds of when I brought a friend of mine to a job fair for teachers (he didn’t want to go by himself for some reason) and a few principals overheard that I was a math major and am fully credentialed to teach all maths. They immediately walked over and started pestering me to apply, lol. I told them was I happily employed at a great school and they were dejected at first, but I quickly let them know that my friend has a similar background and they practically jumped on him. I laughed the entire time because it was so entertaining. Plus, it helped my friend get a job.

    It’s nice being a hot commodity! :)
     
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    Actually, I'm k-12 specialist with a music endorsement. Art and PE are also licensed this way. Anyone who crosses between el. ed and secondary is a type 10, so it's us specialists and the SPED folks. The Ps and HR usually don't understand how we're licensed, so they list they want a type 09 or type 03 with a music endorsement. Little do they know that someone with those qualifications is considerably less qualified than a type 10. I also run into Ps who think that BA music is a "better" degree than BM education. The upside is that most of them don't know anything about music, so I can throw around terms and methodologies and they just smile and nod. It's kind of like my current job, where I had someone above me ask me if UDL and DI are the same thing.
     
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    Sorry! Didn’t mean to minimize your qualifications!!
     

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