How long do you look for a teaching position before you just give up?

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  1. thewife

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    I have been applying and interviewing for 5 years, and still can't get a job. Is it time to move on and just get a job anywhere? I am an Aide at a public school. Starting to feel like an idiot! Who is going to be willing to hire me now?
     
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  3. Caesar753

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    Is moving to a new location an option? I had to move in order to find a teaching job in my content area.

    What grade level/content area are you looking for? How are your references?
     
  4. cocobean

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    Where are you applying? How have you been limiting your job search?
    I moved over two hours away to land a job after college. It's my first year and I'm glad I made the move. Many of my friends were unable to find full time positions because they stayed in an area with few jobs and MANY applicants.
    Resume, references, and interview are other important factors.
    Don't give up!
     
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  5. thewife

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    I have a family in a small community. I apply in the surrounding towns as well. Moving is not an option for me, but a small commute is. I have 4 certifications, elementary, middle school SS, and 2 in special ed. I don't feel like I do well at interviews. Getting tired, emotionally.
     
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    Caesar753 Multitudinous

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    What are you doing to do better in interviews?

    How small is your community? How big/small is the area to which you can commute?
     
  7. Pashtun

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    I would think about the idea of moving.
    When I graduated I looked for a teaching job to support my family, areas that were hiring got all my attention. I did not even waste my time applying to areas right around where I lived, knowing it was going to be tougher to get in.
     
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    I didn't have kids when I graduated, but we definitely need my income to support myself and my husband. My situation was similar to Pashtun's - the area around me just was NOT hiring (years of layoffs and budget cuts), so I applied everywhere and we ended up moving about an hour away.

    If you can't move, I would think seriously about a commute, even a long one. The experience can help you get a job closer to home in the future.

    I am sorry about your situation - definitely frustrating.
     
  9. viola_x_wittrockiana

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    If it makes you feel any better, you're not the only one and you're a step ahead of me. I'm on year four of applying and can't even get hired part-time in the public schools. As an aide, at least you've got your foot in the door. My advice is to update your letters of rec. and record yourself answering interview questions. It's uncomfortable to watch the video, but you'll be able to isolate what your trouble spots are.
     
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    It's really infuriating when people speak of a teacher "shortage" isn't it? I'm getting passed over for STUDENT TEACHERS... they aren't even licensed or have teaching experience. But small towns are very cliquey so they fit right into the little world.

    :mad::mad::mad:
     
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    There is a shortage; it just isn't nationwide and it's also not even statewide. In CA, it really seems to vary by area. My own area doesn't have a shortage in my area of certification (elementary), but it does in special education and possibly secondary math and science, as well. There is a LOT more hiring than there was just 4 or 5 years ago, though. Back then there were only continual yearly rounds of layoffs. There's been a complete 180.

    It's unfortunate that some areas are still very difficult to get jobs in. However, small town areas are probably always hard that way, I would imagine.
     
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    You can learn to interview, and it may not be free, but it is probably the missing piece. I would think that SPED would be enough to get the interview, but it you have the cert but no love for teaching it, then that is a disconnect. Surplus of Elem Ed candidates, same with SS at most levels. SPED is the best shot, but you have to want to teach there. Any interest in acquiring ESL, MS Science or MS math certs? Adding a reading specialist cert would also help. I don't know what your SPED certs are for, or how much time you have spent working in them, maybe a long-term sub job? My son got nervous interviewing, but finally got help and the good fortune of multiple interviews in succession, which calmed the nerves and helped him figure out what answers were working, how he could sell himself better.

    I wouldn't give up until I had considered more/different certifications and explored what is out there to improve interview skills. Best of luck.
     
  13. Secondary Teach

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    It's this "Teach for America" propaganda going around. As if they actually have the answer to making a successful teacher, by throwing a recent grad into the classroom. Not to say that TFA doesn't produce successful teachers, though.
    :)
     
  14. Committed2DaProfession

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    4 years seems a little excessive, unless you refuse to move. I currently teach in Texas and there are literally jobs everywhere. Not all of them are great and certain districts pay better than others, but there are Teacher of Record jobs everywhere...including MS SS. I personally would be willing to commute up to an hour if I absolutely had to.
     
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    Well I know the inside info.. it's one of the benefits of subbing. There are two fourth grade positions & one fifth. The one fourth grade teacher is moving to another grade and the district wants to open up another one. They'll vote on the budget in May. The reason? The third graders coming up are total Hell raisers and they want to split them up as much as possible. But do you think they'll tell the teachers that? Nope! So they're going to throw in NEW teachers, fresh from the gate, who will be blind sighted. I anticipate that there will be a lot of complaining and maybe even some resignations by the end of the year. It's kind of a pain because I've worked with the kids and can manage them. But this is a very small town where it's all about who you know and if they like you. Cliques are huge. And apparently I don't "fit in" to the culture even though I was born and raised in the GD town.
    Oh well! When their new teachers get hired and continue to resign (which is happening) they'll hopefully smarten up and realize that I'm interested. I'm in my third year teaching and still want to do it so... But it's also cheaper to hire an inexperienced newbie who is more moldable to fit their needs...
    :D:yeahthat:
     
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    This is actually a quality that our district looks for in new hires. Not saying it is good or bad, but it has been stated by several admin that new hires are prefferred becasue they will buy into the programs.
     
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    It makes sense because administrators are tasked by the superintendent and the board to achieve certain goals. Managers don't like to work with people who fight them every step of the way, or worse, say yes and go behind their back and hide what they are doing, especially if the administration has had something dictated to them and must follow it regardless of how they feel about it. So, from an administrative sense, I see why it is a popular idea.

    It would be great if all could discuss pros and cons of specific programs or strategies beyond "I tried it and it doesn't work" and use real examples and research about why something is better than another. It would be great if everyone involved then got on board after the discussion. I think one of the biggest problems many of our schools have is the huge lack of consistency. The only consistency I have seen is that all will say their way is the best way even though it may contradict someone else. That tells the public and students that it isn't true which, in turn, degrades the confidence in the system and those who espouse their way is the "right" way.
     
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    Agreed.
    I have said for years that public schools should do away with student "choice" schools and should design "teacher" choice schools. Schools that really match teachers in a district to a school that share the same philosophy and ideas.
     
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    I'm more than willing to relocate or commute, but it's not that simple. I can't drive for medical reasons, so I have to be somewhere that is either big enough to have public transit or small enough to walk where I'd need to go. The suburban job postings sometimes list having a car as a requirement, so that takes care of those. My state has taken to splitting jobs between districts to save money, which limits my options since I can't drive to another town in the middle of the day.

    I'd gladly go out of state too, but that's quite complicated as well. My state doesn't use Praxis; it isn't even offered anywhere in-state. Since NCATE isn't what it used to be, I'd have to have someone take me to another state to take the test to even be considered for a job, then likely haul me back for interviews. The states I have connections in are the ones that people here have warned aren't hiring.
     
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    What is your resume like? How long has it been since it's been updated? Perhaps seek out help? I'm back in school now and it was time to update mine. I brought it to my college's career office, handed it over, she said "is this your resume?" and just laughed. I worked there during college so we have that bond. Yeah, it was time! Maybe that's a part of it?
     
  21. TeacherGroupie

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    States that don't use Praxis tests have state-specific ETS tests (TExES, GACE) or use Pearson's NES series or have state-specific Pearson tests (for instance, FTCE, MTEL, WEST). All or nearly all of these are available on computer; ETS computer-based tests (including Praxis) are given at Prometric test centers (or at some universities), and Pearson tests are given at Pearson Professional Centers (or at some universities). One consequence of the move to computer-based testing is that it's much easier to register for a test out of area. Let me add that both ETS and Praxis administer tests in many, many disciplines other than teaching, and as a result both have testing centers scattered all over.

    Find Praxis test centers at https://www.ets.org/praxis/register/centers_dates; find Pearson test centers at https://home.pearsonvue.com/test-taker.aspx.
     

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