Has anyone applied for specific posting then found out in interview it's different?!

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  1. bella84

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    I agree that it’s a long trip, but the distance a candidate is willing to travel for an interview is on the candidate, not the district. Regardless, I still wouldn’t tell anyone off. What’s the purpose in that? If the goal is to get them to change their ways and inform candidates in the future, I think that can be done calmly. If the purpose is to express your anger, that just seems unprofessional. You never know who knows someone else, even four hours away. I wouldn’t want to earn a reputation as someone with uncontrollable anger.
     
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    What’s also unprofessional is not giving applicants detailed information so they waste a considerable amount of time when they could have spent said time applying elsewhere. It goes both ways.
     
  3. pommom

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    Between the two of yall....
    "Telling off people" will not benefit you.
    However, I would and do address the concern that the posting stated something differently (in a nonconfrontational way). Time is wasted on both ends. It could have easily been solved by adding in a few words to the job posting.
     
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    Here it is the principal who pulls applications and calls to schedule interviews.
     
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    My very first job was a bit of a surprise.

    The assistant superintendent (who was also the sub coordinator) called to tell me that the high school had a position open for an English teacher, and he knew I would be interested since my certification is secondary English and I had done two long-term subbing jobs there the previous year. I interviewed and got the position. When I went in to talk to the principal, he told me that I should go talk to the middle school principal, too, since my position included teaching a class of 7th grade reading and health as well. The schools were about three miles apart, and I had no idea I was even certified to teach middle school, much less health. I also didn't have my own room at either school.

    However, I did it. And I learned that middle school kids weren't the horrible people everyone always said they were, and the staff was way more welcoming than the high school. Who knew? The following year, I returned to the middle school, not the nigh school. That was 24 years ago!

    You don't always get the job you want or expect right away, but it can lead to the very job you never knew you wanted.
     
  6. Master Pre-K

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    It’s too much like right.

    If every administrator would tell you everything that was part of the job, you probably wouldn’t take it. That’s why so many job postings end with the line: “Other duties as assigned.”

    And...”Subject to change without notice.”

    Just a regular thing in Head Start. o_O
     
  7. pommom

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    I am talking about the main deal here. What subject am I teaching? This needs to be specified in job posting, very important. The lunch duty and other assignments like that is not part of the discussion.
     
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    What they did to you was totally inappropriate. Why is so hard for them to let everyone know up front? It’s not rocket science.
     
  9. bella84

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    I assume that by co-teach, you mean it's a sped position. Sped positions are nearly always subject to change, even after you are hired and have worked there for some time. Sped positions are totally dependent upon the needs of the students, and teachers' caseloads will change from year to year. Because your students change, the content you teach changes. Don't ever accept a sped position and expect it to stay the same year after year after year. Hopefully, it will be similar from one year to next, but, over time, it will probably change significantly.

    In this situation, I would imagine that they initially thought they only needed a co-teach for ELA courses and, then, after looking at the students' IEPs and the teacher and school schedules, they must have realized that the same person doing ELA would also have to co-teach some science. That's truly not unusual. Honestly, even if they tell you right now that it's ELA and science, there is a good likelihood that it will change before the school year begins or during the year anyway. I really don't think this is something to be so upset over, but I guess that's because I've never worked in a school where the grade-level/content assignment didn't change over the course of time, sometimes unexpectedly. It's the norm everywhere where I've worked.
     
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    That's the norm here as well. I know that I can be asked to teach anything within my certification. Although there aren't typically major changes from one year to the next, changes of a grade level or two aren't uncommon. We all know our "tentative" assignments for next year, but also know that it may change based on numbers of students at each grade level.
     
  11. Master Pre-K

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    Yes, I hear you.

    It’s unfortunate that you wasted time & gas. I would be upset too. Just saying how some people don’t feel job candidates deserve honest information.
     
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    I am only certified to teach sped and English. I wouldnt know how to teach math or science.
     
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    Just like I wouldn’t know how to teach English or SPED. My specialties are math and science.
     
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    It seems that some admin. believe all teachers should know how to teach everything! :confused:

    I am certified to teach Pre-K thru 3rd Gr. And I have recieved calls about 5th grade and 8th grade openings!! Someone is passing my resume around. They aren’t reading it, they just want interviews and bodies.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Maybe it’s different where you are, so I can only speak from experience where I’m at...

    Here, a sped teacher isn’t expected to be a content area expert. The sped teacher is the expert in how students learn, particularly those with special needs. The purpose of co-teaching is that the two teachers collaborate to, together, meet the students’ needs. The gen was teacher is the content area expert, and the sped teacher is the learning style/modifications/accommodation expert.

    No one would expect you to know how to teach any given content area alone as the sped teacher. Sure, you couldn’t teach math or science as a gen ed teacher without this certifications, but you could teach ELA as the gen ed teacher, since you are certified. However, as a sped co-teacher, none of that matters. You aren’t fulfilling the role of content expert. As I said before, your students and caseload, as a sped teacher, will change from year to year. This might mean you are in different content area classes from year to year. You are still serving the role as the learning specialist no matter which content area class you are co-teaching.
     
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    The difference, though, is that she does know how to teach sped, and the position was for sped. It wasn’t a gen ed science position. The position was for a special education co-teacher who will co-teach ELA and science. If she has a sped certification, she is legally qualified to (and, theoretically, capable of) co-teach in that position - again, at least in my state.
     
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    Just because I am sped qualified doesn't mean I am confident and feel able to be an effective teacher with teaching anything related to sped including subjects. Kids would expect me to know the science content because I am a teacher in the classroom. I would be expected to teach to general ed kids too even though I am responsible for the sped kids.

    Anyways, you disagree with me. It's more than okay. Moving on....
     
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    I’ve interviewed and was hired on the spot for a job in the Pre-K 3-5yr old class. When I returned on my first day, the secretary put me in the 2yr old rm, and said wait here.

    That was all day.

    I came out a few times and was told to go back and wait. I knew they had federal reviewers in the building.

    I was a ghost employee. They needed my certificate for their teacher!

    When I came back the next day, they turned me around saying my ‘paperwork didn’t go through and they will call me.’

    They didn’t call. I complained to the Dept of Labor and they had them give me 2 days pay.
     
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    I get it. And, I'm not disagreeing with your feeling that you lack the confidence. I'm in a similar boat - qualified for high school sped, middle school social studies, kindergarten, and even Pre-K. From a legal standpoint, I can teach any of those positions. I hold the state certifications. I don't feel that I have the knowledge or experience for any of them, though. I'm comfortable in elementary grades 1-5, sped or gen ed. However, if my administrators choose, on any given year, they could move me to something else. I once got hired for third grade, then moved to kindergarten, then moved back to third - all in one week, right before the school year began. It was awful, but it did work out for me.

    So, again, I'm not disagreeing with how you feel, per se. I'm just saying that I understand why administrators often cannot be super explicit about the content that a teacher, especially a sped teacher, will be responsible for teaching. It changes too frequently. They don't generally mean to deceive a candidate. It's just the nature of the public education.
     

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