Giving up subbing...no jobs from Aesop

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  1. thesub

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    I feel so depressed thinking that I probably won't sub anymore.
    I am averaging only 4 days of sub jobs in ONE MONTH - I am in 2 districts and in 2 private schools. I refresh the Aesop screen a million times and almost break the computer and yet no jobs. Even though I am on the preferred list of 5-7 teachers, no calls from them also.


    I am looking back to 2006 when I started subbing and I could pick and choose the jobs and I even thought this could be a f/t career option. I even hired a babysitter last year to watch my kids at 3.30 - now I am letting her go - not just worth it to pay her a week's wages when I hardly work.

    I didn't post much on this board but used to lurk and learned good tips here. Good luck to all of you and maybe I will still read messages here.

    Bye with a sad heart but wishing everyone happy holidays,
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  3. oldstudent

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    Before giving up subbing, you might want to call the districts within your desired driving distance and ask to speak to the technician in charge of subs.
    Tell her/him that you are interested in continuing to sub, but that you like to keep busy and would therefore like to work for a district where subs have a good chance of frequent work.
    I would also ask them to give an educated guess as to your probability of working on any given day.
    The attitude you get from the sub tech could also give you an indication of your chances of frequent work.
    I have been subbing for 13 years, yet two of my three districts have nearly deserted me, offering work an average of only once a week.
    My third district, however, has had a job for me the last 46 days in a row.
    It is a matter of finding the right district(s).
     
  4. Peachyness

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    I remember I stopped getting calls from this one district way back when I was a sub. She mentioned that they haven't had much need for subs but game me two weeks of sub jobs for the next month. So, it wouldn't hurt to call the person in charge of subs and see what's going on. It doesn't seem to make sense why all of a sudden you're not getting called. I mean, are the teachers afraid to call out sick??
     
  5. thesub

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    Peachyness, oldstudent.....

    the jobs come only from Aesop and the preferred list. The secretaries in all the schools are cold and impersonal and keep referring me to HR if I have any questions about subbing. HR tells that Aesop is the way to go and the 2 districts I am in do not use Jobulator/other systems etc. It's such a catch-22 - since I don't sub enough, I cannot build a good relationship with the secretaries, teachers etc.

    I have to seriously think of freelance writing or computer programming as a career option and I soooooo do not want to do this.
    I love being around the kids, helping the teachers - how quickly time flies when I am around them mellow::mellow:

    thesub
     
  6. PCdiva

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    i have a feeling if you attempt to file for unemployment/underemployment then they will start calling you so they dont have to pay...i've heard of this happening...you don't have another form of income right?
     
  7. Peachyness

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    It depends on the state where she will file for unemployment. In some states, you need to have worked full time for about a year or so in order to qualify for unemployment.
     
  8. Peachyness

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    That stinks! Are those the only nearby districts that you can sub for or can you apply to any others? High school, special ed (usually through the county), alternative high schools and juvie (I subbed a LOT at these schools).
     
  9. Ms. I

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    thesub, I'm so sorry. Yes, it really is bleak out there! I work for 1 dist (& hopefully soon to work for a 2nd) that uses the SubFinder site & I only get 1 solid day a wk too only because I already happened to be subbing for that lady 1 day/wk for the past 2 yrs, so she knows me & happens to need me. I may get another day here & there, but who knows. I called 10 other districts in my surrounding area that aren't hiring for subs...they've ben on a hiring freeze for the last couple yrs. I finally applied at 3 districts that were actually hiring that have at least a 40 min drive 1-way. I have an interview in mid-Jan w/ one of them.

    Have you done ALL you possibly could to let yourself be known out there? Did you go around to every school in your districts & put flyers in all the teachers' mailboxes & even post one up maybe in the teachers' lounge? If you've don that, I guess you've done all you could w/ your current districts. I guess you still need to apply to other districts. The way things are going for me, I wish I was working for about 3-4 districts.

    Is there a site you know of to search for substitute teaching jobs? In my area, Ed-Join is the one.

    Good luck in whatever you end up doing! :)
     
  10. The Substitute

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    I work in British Columbia and subs here are averaging less than 1 and 1/2 days a week. Even with 2nd jobs the average income of a sub is less than 14000, which is below the poverty line for a small urban center (and comparable to the annual income of a Wal-Mart greeter).

    This year started off so badly for me that I literally drove out to schools that I used to work at and cornered principals, vps, office secretaries or anyone else that I'd gotten work from in the past and I told them that if I didn't start getting work soon I'd be forced out of the profession. Fortunately they listened and my work situation has improved, specifically from these very schools and individuals that I reached out to.

    I wish you luck. I think it just plain sucks that good people should be forced out of the profession for this sort or reason.
     
  11. catnfiddle

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    Can you expand the number of districts in which you work? I was up to six by the time I started teaching full-time. Two of them didn't use Aesop, so there was some juggling, but it was worth it to work every day.
     
  12. thesub

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    Thank you all...

    I have given out lots of business cards in the schools. I have not put flyers in the mailboxes because the secretaries are very cold and they will yell at me if I do mailboxes. But I have e-mailed teachers with my info and gotten thank-you replies from a few. That's about all.

    I don't if I can qualify for unemployment since subbing seems so part-time and Dh earns a decent salary. Do they look at combined income for unemployment benefits? Do I even morally qualify for unempt. benefits since Dh's salary supports us and if I get these benefits, won't I be depriving someone else????


    The other districts around me are not accepting new sub applications now. So I will apply again in September.

    The only other option is to apply for special ed aide jobs which I will happily do. But one position that I did get was to only push a wheelchair and lift the kid out and taking her to the bathroom. I could not take this because the kid is heavier than I am and the hours would vary every week. Now I think I should have taken this job and used it to jump to other jobs. What do you all think?

    Thank you all so much for your support,
    thesub
     
  13. John Lee

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    I can personally attest to this happening, albeit for me... it was about five or so years back. But I did file for unemployment during the summer, and soon after, they threw summer school subbing jobs at me.

    I also agree (oldstudent) that you should talk to the sub technician in charge of all things subbing. Tell her of the situation. In today's current climate (where there are plenty of subs, extra teachers out there), I fear that she can't really do anything for you. But it doesn't hurt to ask... I distinctly recall, on the letter they send to me about whether I intend to sub the upcoming year, they say that they can offer a reasonable assurance of work. Well, four days in a semester is not my idea of that!

    Bottom line, if you want to continue doing this (you like teaching), then you probably should go and talk to someone: the squeeky wheel gets the grease. GL
     
  14. azure

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    You need to download a Mozilla Firefox add-on called Check4Change. It will then immediately alert with a sound you when a job is posted on AESOP. I guarantee your competition is using it. I use it, and I work every day.
     
  15. thesub

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    REALLY????OMG! Downloading it tonight....Thanks!

    But aren't subs not allowed to use such type of gadgets? How do I explain this if I manage to snag jobs...sorry to be so naive.....I read on some other forum that districts frown on such gimmicks.

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  16. oldstudent

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    Of course these letters of reasurrance mean nothing.

    The only thing they reassure is that you cannot receive unemployment if you receive such a letter. This is the only reason they send out these letters since unemployment comes out of their coffers..
    For what it is worth, the one district that gives me all my work uses Aesop. The ones that offer me little work use other systems.

    All three districts give me a choice of soliciting work via the internet or the phone.
     
  17. Subber

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    Apply at other district and eventually. From personal experience, I am grateful that i decided to apply for another district after i started subbing at my current district. What I regret now is that I didn't finalize the process after I got hired at one other district. They required an online quizz which was sooooo time-consuming and I just didn't have time. Then I got sick. then I moved and they lost interest in me. It pays less than other district and so it wasn't so motivating to finish that quiz when I was so busy taking subbing assignments (for the district that didn't work out for me too well; most school just don't have their s**t together while they act like they are somebody for being in (*this* district).


    I never intended to have a long career of subbing and so it's time for time to make a change and I am working on it.

    You just need to get more districts and see how things go for you.
     
  18. carol2010

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    They are not gimmicks, especially when you are no longer a slave to the computer. Some district frown upon using a program to automatically accept jobs, but simply being alerted of a job shouldn't cause problems.

    Do districts really expect everyone to sit at their computer every night and hit refresh a million times? Instead, I use Sub Sidekick to send me email and text message alerts when a job is available on Aesop. The best thing I could have done as a sub. I work everyday.

    Good luck, and I hope you can get more jobs! :thumb:
     
  19. Subber

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    Explain to who?

    Why cares about who is frowning? the reason you're not getting work is because other people on AESOP are using it.

    The districts I am in do not use Aesop. One uses Subfinder and next January, I will use a Fire-Fox add on (if I still don't have a job other than subbing) and would not bother working in another districts where most secretaries of most schools are cold and snobbish.
     
  20. Caesar753

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    Some of those systems have a notice when you log in explicitly telling you not to use those sorts of programs. I think that you can be suspended from using those sub systems if they find out you circumvented their guidelines. It's worth checking before you download other software.
     
  21. Ms. I

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    thesub, I recently downloaded Check4Change. It doesn't do much good if there aren't any jobs at all though. My district uses SubFinder, which I check several times a day (at various times). 99.9% of the time, it says there's no jobs available, so Check4Change for me personally isn't that effective. In fact, it's almost more trouble for me since I don't use Firefox Mozilla & have to open up that browser too.
    This whole trying to find jobs at the right time & grabbing them up before someone else has become like the casino slot machines. You have to be there at the right time to see it & get it.

    By the way, I just heard that in Los Angeles Unified School Dist, they let go anther 1000 teachers...:mad: I live about an hr from L.A. This means more will return to subbing & I have even a less of a chance to get jobs! :(

    And I agree w/ oldstudent about UI benefits. In fact a while back we had a discussion about how subs will get those reassurance letters, which disqualifies us from getting UI, BUT, if we only get 1 day of work every 2 wks, for example, well that's certainly not enough to pay the bills, yet we're blocked from getting UI.

    I've gotten UI in the past a few times, but the last time I filed (this past summer), they were giving me checks, but then, ordered me to PAY BACK ALL THEY GAVE ME, so not only was I not making much as it is, but then, had to pay back almost $1000! :mad:
    I'm kind of afraid to apply for UI ever again because who knows if you'll be made to pay it all back. The whole thing is a real ratrace!
     

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