ESL vs ELL

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  1. Pisces_Fish

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    Is there a difference? I have the ELL/ESL cluster this year and I'm too embarrassed to ask anyone in my school. Is one more advanced than the other? Is one more politically correct? Do you start out ESL and then get labeled ELL or visa-versa? I already know what the acronyms stand for, I'm just looking for a more solid definition.
     
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    It depends on where you live. The label in AZ used to be ESL when I was in High School. Now the more proper term is ELL. Our ELL students are pulled out. So where I live it's essentially the same thing, just ESL is an old term.
     
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    In my state and district, this is true.
     
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    I always thought ELL is the student, and ESL is the subject.
     
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    NBT, I like your answer the best!
     
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    yep.
    ELL= English Language Leaner
    ESL= English as a 2nd Language

    therefore, an ELL student has ESL = )
     
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    Hmm, in our district it has been explained that for many of our non-English speaking students, English may actually be their third or fourth language. Hence the move from ESL to ELL. We call the students ELL, the teacher ELL, and the subject ELL.
     
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    In Texas, we're moving from the old language of Limited English Proficient (LEP) to ELL. But I've always understood ELL to be a person, ESL is a subject.
     
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    In our district we still use the terms LEP, NEP (Non-English Proficient), and FEP (Fully English Proficient) to sub-classify our ELLs and former ELLs.
     
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    It varies by state and district.
    Most of the research now uses ELLs.
    In my district we use the term ESL students for all students w/ a lang other than English. NES for Non English Speaking and LEP for Limited English Proficiency (higher level).
    My poisition is called TESOL- Teacher of Speakers of Other Languages.
    The Federal Govt uses the term LEP to include all ELLs.
    Clear as mud right?
     
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    :confused::yeahthat:
     

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