Do you take off for grammar and spelling?

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  1. Aliceacc

    Aliceacc Multitudinous

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    I HATE having to "unteach" something another teacher has taught my kids!!!!!

    "RARELY" is a MUCH better word choice than "NEVER."
     
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    I had a grammar section of my rubric for out of class writing. I didn't deduct for specific mistakes, but made a judgement call on the effect the mistakes had on the readability of the assignment. The scores ranged from "free of grammar/spelling errors", "errors frequent/severe enough to prevent the reader from understanding what the writer was trying to convey", with several steps in between.
     
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    :yeahthat:

    Don't even get me started on subtraction and square roots.
     
  4. MrsC

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    That's very similar to what I use for most of my assignments.
     
  5. Aliceacc

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    Why?? Don't you ALWAYS put the larger number into the calculator first????

    And you CAN'T take the square root of a negative, right???

    And pi equals 3.14... or it it 22/7????

    I always feel so disloyal for letting kids know they were taught wrong. Yet, at the same time, I want to smack their teachers upside the head for not taking the time to teach it correctly. (And,no, I'm not talking about an isolated kid who got it wrong. I'm talking about a class agreeing to something that is incorrect.)

    What is it we keep saying about content??? Oh, yeah: that you've GOT to know it!!!

    OK, off my soapbox and back to our regularly scheduled thread.
     
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    :rofl:

    I second that rant.
     
  7. dgpiaffeteach

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    As an English teacher, I don't understand the math rant but I do appreciate that it's not just English :lol::lol:

    I always have a grammar section on papers and for projects and such but it's always worth a certain number of points. If an assignment truly had so many errors that I couldn't understand it then I would sit down with the student and conference and ask for a rewrite.
     
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    Was there a good reason for the expletive? Kind of ironic on a thread discussing good grammar...:rolleyes:
     
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    I had a history teacher in high school that gave us essay tests and took off points for misspelled words. History was an easy subject for me, and I'm a fairly decent speller, but the policy always rattled me when I was taking his tests. I'd read back over everything and freak out about certain words, afraid that I'd spelled them wrong and would get points off. I'd use really low level vocabulary because I was afraid I'd spell the "big words" wrong, which made my essays a lot poorer quality overall. I can't imagine how this policy was for students who really struggled with spelling. IMO, that's not something they should be evaluated on in a history class. It's one thing to expect a nice polished essay if it was a take home assignment with a rubric, especially since all they'd need to do would be to take the time to have someone proofread it for them- but I think doing it on tests or random assignments is totally unfair.
     
  10. Aliceacc

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    I think it's important to TEACH correct grammar and spelling.

    I'm not sure that, in all subjects, it's important to PENALIZE errors.

    Anytime I correct a kid's grammar, I hear "But this isn't English." And of course I respond "That's good, because you're not speaking English."
     
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    Yeah that.
     
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    You can use expletives and still be grammatically correct...
     
  13. czacza

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    :lol: ...but one must also consider the source.
     
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    I will plead ignorance here. Exactly when do students today learn the difference between a sentence and a phrase? Direct and indirect objects? Complex sentences?

    Let me make myself clear about my earlier post. I really believe in effective communication in class. I want students to be specific in asking me questions (and "I don't get it" is NOT a question) as well as when providing answers. I am teaching my students to rephrase the question into their response. So if asked "Why does ice float?" they can respond "Ice floats because it is less dense than water." instead of "Because it is less dense than water."

    THIS is why I deduct for "because" grammar.
     
  15. Aliceacc

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    I have no idea on the "when do they learn?"question.

    But would they lose credit if they answered:
    "Because it is less dense than water, ice floats." ??
     

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