CSET-ART

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  1. MandyD

    MandyD New Member

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    Hello,
    I am due to take the Art CSET on the 22nd, well, in a few days. This will be my second attempt taking this exam. I was 6 points from passing subtest I, and 19 points from passing subtest II. My first attempt of this exam was August 2016. I am doing both subtests in one sitting. What bothers me is that there are centuries upon centuries of art work to study, plus terminology, teaching theories, and fundamentals and principles of art. I did well on the multiple choice portion of the exam. However, not so well on the written portion. I read the directions of the written portion to keep the wording to a minimum. Like one written response section said minimum word count of 75-150 words, which I did. Did I read/interpret the directions wrong? I read it as to keep the word count within 75-150 for your response. The drawing section of the test was a fun breather within the exam. A little brain break. I recall from the exam I took in August had a lot of recent art, art from the 90s and early 2000s, which I had not studied, so I did educated guesses on those. I recall a few of the written response questions, again more recent art work from the 20th century. I guess my question is, do I continue to study a broad range of art work, or brush up on the recent art that I recall from the first time I took the exam? I'm guessing that the company switches the exam content...? It's tough to go into this test unknowing what's on the exam. I have been studying my old college art history book, I have read the Annotated Mona Lisa, Fundamentals of Art textbook from college, American Art History textbook from college, and CSET Art exam study guide from Mometrix. I feel as though I'm over studying, unfocused. Another thing that bothered me about the exam is that the exam had very little reference images in color. The images on the computer exam were almost all black and white images; as if the computer exam was scanned copy of the paper exam. I recall one question on the exam asked how the use of color in a painting added emotional dynamic to the painting, and the image reference was black and white. I'm at a point with my credential program that I need to pass this test this round or it delays my enrollment in my classes. Any advice you have would be greatly appreciated as I feel frustrated, nervous, and overwhelmed by this exam.
     
  2. TeacherGroupie

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    What diagnostics do you see on the second page of your score report?

    Your inference that content won't be identical from one version of a subtest to another is correct. Please think of this as meaning that some of the questions you'll see on Thursday will ask about things you know that didn't appear last time.

    Scorers of a constructed response want to see that you can pull together an answer that a fellow art teacher would recognize as sensible, that you can develop your answer using the terminology and principles of visual art, and that you can support your answer with appropriate evidence and reasoning all of presented in the terminology of visual art. Scorers are not generally looking for a polished essay with introduction and conclusion; a bullet list within (or even as) an answer works perfectly well. They really don't want to see the question restated, aside perhaps from a phrase to get you rolling. (Restating the question at length is usually viewed evidence that the test taker is stalling for time.)

    Art history is lots and lots of content with lots and lots of potential datapoints, yes. But design principles and elements of art are somewhat fewer - and can be useful as tools to help you get a grip on the art history, by giving you labels for the ways in which one art movement differs from the next.
     
  3. amandajean

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    Hi all,
    Taking the CSET this Saturday and next. BEYOND NERVOUS. I am wondering if anyone knows if paper collage would count as an acceptable medium for the breadth portfolio? Im using painting as my concentration, and then photography, drawing, and hopefully collage as I do not have any sculpture or ceramics.
     
  4. TeacherGroupie

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    Paper collage looks fine for breadth, especially if you have a piece that's somewhat sculptural, or at any rate more three-dimensional than your painting, photography, and drawing.
     
  5. amandajean

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    What about an up cycled piece. I salvaged old theatre chairs and remodeled them, nailing them to a piece of wood covered in red felt. Do you think that up cycled furniture could count as a sculpture. I use it as so.
     
  6. amandajean

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    I had the same issue, I called and they said the same thing. I think that is silly, because directions should be clear. Even as teachers we will need to give clear concise directions to our students. IF they made it more clear which mediums are acceptable, then we wouldn't have to ask! :mad:
     
  7. TeacherGroupie

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    It isn't this medium vs. that medium that concerns the test makers, it's the combinations to suggest breadth. The test makers want art teachers who can produce in a range of media and thus presumably teach students in an even wider range.

    Laying out every permissible combination wouldn't be easy. Forgive me, but I'm going to explain with math. Suppose for sake of argument that there were exactly 17 permissible media. Math tells us that the number of combinations of 17 media taken four at a time is
    17!
    4!(17-4)!​
    which is equal to
    17!
    4!(13!)​
    You may recall that 4! is math talk for 4•3•2•1. 17-4 = 13, so we can factor this expression as
    17•16•15•14•13!
    4•3•2•1•13!​
    Everything in the denominator can cancel out something in the numerator:
    17•4571 = 2,380
    111•1•1
    2,380 is a LOT of combinations to have to list - and that's just 17 media: chances are pretty good that either of you could come up with more - and just think how many media weren't even around 150 years ago. By the way, the number of possible combinations with 18 media is 3,060. Obviously fewer than the total possible number of combinations would be permissible - but it would take quite a bit of time to work out ALL the possible combinations. The California Alliance for Arts Education tells us that, as of 2009, there were about 8300 full-time credentialed arts teachers in the state; it's not impossible that there would have been a different combination of concentration and breadth media for each. And I think the refusal to list out all the specific combinations is intended to give more freedom to test takers rather than to restrict them.

    To answer amandajean's question about whether the upcycled chair collage would be sculptural enough, that's even more three-dimensional than I'd had in mind with my example of paper collage: go for it.
     
  8. amandajean

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    I obviously didn't not expect the entire permentation! lol I just wish they would list accepted mediums in general sense since from the directions it seems like only painting drawing and sculpture and ceramics are ok when there are so many more Forms. Thank you for your help!
     
  9. TeacherGroupie

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    I think they figured that listing fewer distinct media but showing how those few can and can't combine would get the point across compactly; experience indicates that when prep documents or books are long, many test takers speed-read some sections in ways that make them miss information that they need.
     
  10. Dasha

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    Hi @TeacherGroupie

    I have a couple of questions bout Subtest ll and the portfolio.
    I am going to offer:
    1. Mixed-media Installations as concentration (is it a right definition of the technique? could it be applicable for the exam?)
    2. pencil drawing
    photography
    collage
    Could you take a look at my portfolio ) and recommend me a couple of ideas about the responses, right definitions, examples of statements. Being a foreign artist I feel puzzled and not sure about what American artists and technics should I mention as references for my works.
    http://dashasur.com ( concentration)
    https://readymag.com/indashawetrust/artisticportfolio/ extended portfolio (for breadth)
    Thank you in advance!
    xD
     
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  11. TeacherGroupie

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    I'm not in a position to answer questions of this specificity here, no.
     
  12. Dasha

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    Thank you for your help.
     
  13. Alexi Elias

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    Hi Everyone. I took the CSET ART I in December and failed by three points. Omg !! Im taking it again April 8th and 10th. Question- for subtest II my concentration is watercolor painting but I used gouache as well. Can I type Watercolor & Gouache paintings? Breadth question - > Is photography, collage, and charcoal drawing sufficient? From what I gather it is! Any study advice - Im having a very hard time with multiple choice as I passed Written responses really well. They recommended I brush up on Aesthetic Valuing :(
     
  14. TeacherGroupie

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    Aesthetic valuing has to do with how we derive meaning from art (that is, interpret it) and how we make informed judgments about art (that is, compare, contrast, and critique artworks). If you're doing well on the written exercises in both subtests, you grasp the essence of this, but you may be having trouble deploying your knowledge when it comes to multiple choice questions.

    I'd recommend reading through the state visual and performing arts frameworks (use your favorite browser etc. to search for "california state framework visual and performing arts", and if one of the links is cde.ca.gov, go there and root around a little; you can download the Frameworks for free as a pdf, and I think you'll find it useful to have so you can annotate it using your favorite pdf viewing software). Then go back to the CSET subtest description pdf; work through the individual statements under each domain, making ample use of the internet to look up each phrase you don't know cold. Wikipedia is your friend here, and in addition some of the arts or arts teaching websites you come across will prove useful in your future teaching.

    Looking up lesson plans on aesthetic valuing may also help.
     
  15. marsthecat

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    I am going to be taking this test soon and have my images ready to be printed. I noticed in the instructions that our photos need to be on "heavy weight glossy" paper. Does anyone know if it's ok to get them printed on the standard drugstore glossy paper? Also, any personal words of advice on the direction to take my studying would be greatly appreciated!
     
  16. TeacherGroupie

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    If you're having the images printed at the drugstore, the standard paper on which photos are printed should be fine. What you want to avoid is printing on standard copy paper: the ink sinks into the paper and spreads, with the result that the image is blurred.
     
  17. Darzymo

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    I just took the test today. It was so subjective, intuitive and random that I truly was surprised. I relearned centuries of art history and studied so many ancient art forms. This maybe helped on a just a few questions, if that. The best advice I found on here was to memorize and know the elements of and principals of art. Knowing those helped me to at least make educated guesses in some cases. The subtest 2 essays were almost exactly as presented on the CSET website. So many of the images were ones that I did not know or recognize eventhough I frequent museums and currently teach art. Do not waste your time with the flash cards sold online. This test is not about memorization of terms but all about your ability to interpret art. If I had studied for a year, I would not have been familiar with many of the artists and questions surrounding them. It was really random. I am still trying to wrap my brain around wtf this test has to do with being an art teacher.
     
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    This is my first time posting on this thread but I have been using the tips and advice for study hints for weeks. I took subtlest 1 in Feb and missed by 8 points. I took it again yesterday and took subtlest 2 today! I am not feeling good about either one. I have read everything I could get my hands on, took the on line AP Art practice tests, and followed as much advice as possible but still had no idea what they were asking on more than half the tests. If the information had anything to do with teaching students art, I would understand, but most questions were obscure and had nothing to do with teaching art or knowing art history. It felt like the test writers were pompous professors trying to prove they knew more then most. Sorry to vent, but feeling hopeless. The questions were about more recent art and other odd questions I would not know how to even look up. I know the principles and elements of art and design inside and out, history of different cultrure and art movements. I have no idea where else to go to study their obscure questions they think are important for teaching.
    If I can offer suggestions to anyone looking for advice, I had read know your elements and principles of art and design inside and out. When I sat down I quickly wrote them down on the white board and referred to them when needed. I would check that I covered them as I was writing. It really helped having them written down. Also, the suggestion of writing out your portfolio pictures before going in to test. It made it much easier to form thoughts and ideas when addressing questions. Thank you to those who shared the tips! I could still use some ideas on where to study for the next go round.
     
  19. Darzymo

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    Writing down the elements & principles of art on the white board was my exact first approach too!! I think it helped with a lot of the questions if I guessed right. I really don't see how studying more for this could help, but glad I at least knew those terms.


     

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