Christian school advice

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  1. readingrules12

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    I was referring to the comment that "my pagan butt wouldn't be caught dead to start with." If someone said "Hey I work at a school that is a LGBTQ school (realize this doesn't exist in reality) and someone is making fun of someone who is insensitive towards someone who is gay, and someone says "my straight butt wouldn't be caught dead to start with." I'd find the comment a bit insensitive. I am not saying this was Aces intention, but since this post is about tolerance, I think we need to be sensitive in our comments whether the school is geared towards Christians, LGTBQ, female only school, or any other group. If a slight error is made and someone uses a picture of people celebrating with champagne glasses about it, yes I will say something.
     
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  2. Aces

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    Oh but it's fact. One of the factors that can be used to justify and downplay the bullying is the very environment itself. If this was a public school without a set religious doctrine, would this conversation have really happened? Possibly — can't say it wouldn't have. But the environment invites the actions. My pagan butt wouldn't be caught working there and I'll stand by that. Aside from this incident, I'm willing to bet that it's not the only one of its kind.

    Religion should be taught in schools from an academic setting, but not as a basis of establishing a school.

    And yes, I went to a Christian middle school. And can tell you from experience things like this are a common occurrence. Yeah sure you can go to the teachers because someone is trying to convince you that what you believe in is wrong because God. But half the time they either don't do anything, or do something so ineffective they might as well not have done anything at all. Admin team won't be much better. Hatred and bullying breed in environments where it's tolerated.
     
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    With the way a specific religion likes to attack them, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
     
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    I still dont classify the op's situation as bullying. The kids were trying to preach to those unbelievers (it is afterall a Christian school), they just did so in a blunt way. Yes, it should have been worded better. Anyways, there is bullying everywhere. I attended Christian and public school. I also taught at both Chrustian and public school. From my experience, bullying is way worse in public schools.
     
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    My thing is... That's kinda the whole point. If it were the "unbelievers" telling a Christian student that what they believed in was wrong and harassing them over it, I would expect a harsher response. You can't be tolerant and accepting and tell someone what they believe it's wrong at the same time. But why should it be tolerated to start with? The Bible doesn't say go recruit people. It says be as one with God and be a light to anyone who wants to come to it.
     
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    I agree with you that this situation is bullying. It shouldn't be tolerated.

    The bible actually does say go and tell everyone about the faith. So in a way, yes it does recruit people. It also says to love one another--meaning all others.

    The #1 reason that people come to the school I teach at is not Christianity. The #1 reason is because of the kindness of the students and the lack of bullying. This is a choice of the teachers, administration, and parents who choose to put becoming good people above test scores and other things. Bullying happens everywhere, but if teachers and administrators decide to seriously try to stop it, it will be greatly reduced.
     
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    I may have missed it, but did the school itself say to not do anything about what the OP saw as possible harassment? From reading the original post my understanding was the school employee who saw the incident was the OP, and she didn't know what to do. They're kids, and they are not always going to say things in the best way. If you feel it is bullying, pull the kids aside and talk to them about how it is perceived. If you are wondering the school's position on this, see if you can find a veteran teacher who you trust to ask.
     
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    You know, you for this analogy kind of screwed up. It's not "insensitive towards someone who is gay" -- it's just a straight student. Your analogy presumes fault on the non-Christian's part.

    Incidentally, public schools are far from immune to this. Students are allowed to proselytize to each other, and teachers generally can't intervene.-- and the exact same "it's not bullying, we just really care" excuse can be trotted out. The teacher who stops the bullying could be accused of an unconstitutional violation of freedom of speech.

    That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. If there's bullying going on, you absolutely should. But make sure you have your ducks in a row when you do, and be aware that it could lead to a fight..
     
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    I'd have to have deeper understanding of what the kids were doing.

    There's a difference between obnoxious proselytizing or awkward belief discussion and bullying.

    We are already seeing biases on this thread.

    OP, can you give examples of what the students were doing? Was it more extreme than stating their proselytizing beliefs?
     
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    To directly answer the question, a response may depend on your relationship with the students. A reminder of school code ought to do it, but a lot of this simply may be unthinking kids being kids.

    I know you are more likely to ally yourself with non-Christian students, but your job is to help--or not help--all students.

    I'd say this is less religious persecution and more lack of social skills. Some religions and people are more outspoken than others. Does not make the behavior necessarily wrong.

    If it really isn't bullying, consider staying out of it. If it does nag on you, see if the school isn't up for some social skills
     
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    That's a very, very fine line, considering that official religious dogma is that non-believers deserve infinite torture. I imagine a few hundred years ago some would have argued that burning heretics alive was a kindness, because if they converted during the ordeal they would be saved from Gehenna.

    I'm sure the topic has come up in the discussion the OP mentions. Try playing out that mental discussion among kids and try to imagine something unlike bullying. On either side, actually, because most kids aren't going to articulate, "your beliefs are based on flawed assumptions" in kind phrasing either..
     
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    I highly doubt this went anywhere near burning heretics.

    And yes, it's easy to imagine an uncomfortable discussion that isn't bullying. Keep in mind, I have a standard for bullying. If this is merely because kids can't articulate, I doubt it's bullying unless there were other factors.
     
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    I would be surprised if the topic of hell didn't come up during a conversion discussion, especially among kids. Having a standard is definitely a good idea, but when it involves reading the intent of kids -- well, judge well and carefully.

    (Not that it's avoidable -- I agree with you that the intent of the kids is important, but I don't think this is always easy to assess).
     
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    My problem is why should one child be allowed to be cornered and harassed by one group of children on the basis that their religion says it's okay? On top of that, none of them are old enough to fully understand what it is that they're preaching to start with. My religion could say that sacrificing a Virgin is the only way to appease the forest gods in order to keep the Earth alive. I'm sure that would be frowned upon because killing people = illegal. But I'm willing to bet if I could prove it in the Bible it wouldn't be so illegal. So where is the line drawn that your religion can defend your actions? The common answer is when it crosses into the territory of hurting someone else.
     
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    Well said! Political, religious, or other discussions should be allowed if polite, honest, and age appropriate. As you stated well, hurting someone else is crossing the line.
     
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    The OP never said anyone was cornered. They said it was almost harassing/bullying. What does that mean? I agree it's uncouth and less than helpful to behave that way, but I also don't think the conversation itself is bullying. We're they yelling at the other kids? Shoving them? Taunting them? We already know this seems to be a one-time thing, which means it was rude or even mean, but any more than that? No.

    Kids do in fact talk religion. It's not always smooth. I full on agree with @readingrules12 but if no one was hurt, it's a social skills problem and may be one the kids need to manuever themselves if it's not escalating.

    In my youth, I was told I was an idiot/sheep/moron/brainwashed whatever/etc by the pagan and atheist kids for simply off-handedly mentioning my religion.(I do not intend a goose/gander comparison, just sharing an experience) It was not considered bullying at time, because it was single incidents and no one was hurt. I know we have higher standards now and that's generally good, but some things are the awkward rude things they are but nothing more.
     
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    I think the mission statement is apart from the proselytizing.

    If the kids did respond such, I would say they are doing a poor job of it that contradicts the mission statement and that it is sowing discord. Be the teacher and tell them to knock it off, if it's a problem. Point out they were probably getting unwelcome signals.
     
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    So your pagan butt is not a reason to advise someone to quit a job. IMO.
     
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