Catholic schools?

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  1. SouthernBuckeye

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    Does anybody here work at one? What are the work conditions like?

    I was talking to my dad, and he said if I ever plan on teaching again, I should find a Catholic school to work at. The reason being that (hopefully) if there are discipline problems the kid would just be thrown out. My dad said that a) they aren't going to let a kid run wild in one because everyone is paying tuition and parents wouldn't allow that to happen and b) since it's private, they can completely expel someone for repeated offenses without the huge paper trail public schools need.

    Yes, I know some low income areas have "voucher" programs for private schools now, so that makes a difference too.

    I think he's right though. If years down the road I ever want to give it another go, I think this is what I'm going to try to do.
     
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  3. Aliceacc

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    I'm in a study hall right this second.

    I LOVE my job. Search my old posts, and you'll see tons of reasons why.

    Right now 25 Seniors are sitting in front of me, dead silent... you can hear the sounds of the keyboard it's so quiet. Discipline in my school is an absolute non issue.

    All schools, Catholic and otherwise, are different, so do your research carefully. But there are lots of reasons why we're bursting at the seams.

    As to salary, I make more than some of my local public school counterparts-- but that's probably not the norm.

    I'll add more tonight.
     
  4. SouthernBuckeye

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    Thank you! :)

    My dad went to a Catholic Jesuit high school, and my mom went to a Catholic school for the first two years of high school. Granted, times were different back then, but my dad said he was able to breeze right through college courses he took at the community college after the fact because he was so well prepared from being taught by nuns and priests.

    I know that today, there aren't as many nun and priest teachers, though. But it doesn't mean the teachers aren't quality, regardless.

    I grew up in Ohio and I think about the Catholic schools near me while I was growing up, and all were football powerhouses, had beautiful facilities (for both academics *and* athletics) and several had notable alumni (LeBron James being one of them). I went to a very highly ranked public high school myself, but had friends in the Catholic schools back then, and all are extremely successful now. One loved his school so much, he went back for a second bachelors in social studies education and a masters in ed. admin, and now he works there full time (he isn't a teacher or an admin, but some other kind of role). He absolutely loves it!

    In the words of my dad, "In the Catholic school, their philosophy is learn, or GET OUT!" :lol:

    I would gladly work for less pay, if I was actually able to do my job, and the kids wanted to learn what I was teaching about.
     
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    I think it REALLY depends on the school. I've heard wonderful things from some, like Alice, and horror stories from others. I also don't think you can go into any school expecting zero behavior issues. You'd be setting yourself up for failure. I know that at some private schools, it can be the opposite of what you describe. They're not going to kick out a kid very easily because they're paying hefty tuition and parents hold all of the power. Your best bet would be researching and visiting individual schools. Don't go by what your parents experienced or are telling you from their days as students.
     
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    I currently work at a semi-rural, suburban public school in a middle class neighborhood. The kids are the nicest kids I've ever worked with - I ask them to stop a behavior and they do. They listen to me, turn in their homework, work hard, and the worst behavior I've encountered is interrupting.

    I think it really just depends on the school and the area, not necessarily private or public.
     
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    Honestly, I think it's less about whether there are disciplinary issues and more about how they're addressed. I think it's valid that you don't want to deal with a lot of disciplinary issues, but to the extent that you have them, I think it's important as a teacher to expect and want to do well with those kids, given the proper support. Being in a Catholic school won't absolve you of that responsibility, nor will it guarantee that discipline problems won't exist. Catholic schools also vary considerably in Ohio - some are predominantly in Suburban areas and will mirror wealthier public schools, while some will specifically seek out kids from rough backgrounds that will inherently have discipline problems.

    I haven't read a lot of your other posts about your current situation, so I don't have the full story of your current experiences, but discipline issues don't have to be a nightmare.
     
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    I love teaching in a Catholic school. I have taught at both diocesan and independent Catholic schools. The last two years I have been at a private Baptist school which was the school from HE**! There was no discipline, no curriculum, and no administration. This was a school that charged parents $8000 per student in an area where cost of living is not high. If you could write the check, your child could attend. I had many students who had been kicked out of public schools but their parents had money and could afford to send them to private school and this school accepted them. Last year, we caught a student smoking a joint and nothing was done after the parents made a nice donation to the school. Students were allowed to re-do work until they passed. This was a logistical nightmare. At the end of the 9 weeks, if they did not like their grade, they wanted to redo things until their grade was what they and their parents wanted. I was teaching an AP class and a student copied a research paper from Wikipedia (turned it in electronically without taking out the Wikipedia hyperlinks) and I had to allow him to redo it--no other penalties. The straw that broke the camel's back was they wanted me to give an athlete a C that finished my class with a 59.9 and I refused. The headmaster and I came to the mutual conclusion that I was not a good fit for the school. I am back in Catholic school and love it. We do not keep students just because they can pay. Just be careful--what I am saying is that not all private schools (or all Catholic) schools are the same. Just like you hear stories of good and bad public schools there are good and bad private schools.
     
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    Right. You simply cannot generalize. Just as with public, and charter, and every other kind of school: there are some very good, some very bad, and a whole lot that fall in between. The trick is to do your homework and find out which ones you're talking to.

    Both my husband and I have been incredibly fortunate to land in very good schools.
     
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    I love working in my Catholic school but we do not expel anyone. Even when it is very obvious we should. It depends on the school I would think
     
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    It depends on the school and the area the school is in, how much support the school receives from the parish, etc. There are good ones and bad ones and in-between, as others have said.

    There can be just as many discipline problems, unfortunately, as public, depending on the school.

    Others are fortunate to have far lower incidents and much higher respect for adults and teachers.
     
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    I loved the catholic high school I attended. It was awesome. Because of that experience, I accepted a job at a catholic school right out of college. It was awful. The pay was terrible. There was no discipline. Kids had major problems and would be issued a suspension. Then their parents threatened to stop donating money and poof, guess who has no punishment? Admin was awful.

    I'm now in a public school with a great admin. I have way fewer issues. I love, love, love my job now.
     
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    I think your over simplifying the whole Catholic school thing. I don't think all Catholic schools expel behavior problems, and it wouldn't happen after 1 or 2 incidents. I think you'll still need to have strong behavior management skills. Also, you are special education teacher? Most Catholic schools do not have strong special education programs.
     
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    Agreed. I've worked private Catholic and public. Good and not so good regardless of which. Depends on the school and the administration.

    I did find that, at least in the schools I experienced, public offered better services for special Ed students as well as more PD opportunities. (and i doubled my salary moving to public, but again, it depends on your area and school) There's a trade off though...the fellowship a religious school offers is special...and my first public experience after Catholic school was NOT worth the bump in pay.
    I will say it is a blessing when you do find a place that's a 'fit' for you...private or public.
     
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    One thing you're almost guaranteed to have is parental support, they are paying for their kid to be there, so that should be a good technique to behavior management
     
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    I would definitely consider working in a Catholic school. I have been thinking of applying to the one up the street from my house but the school's website is terrible so I can't find out anything about it! Anyway, I agree that it just depends on the school and who is running it and HOW they run it. When I was in college I worked in retail with a few high school kids who went to the big Catholic high school in the area. They were basically kicked out of public school and forced to go to private school. Hopefully they did better in that enviroment but you never really know the kids' backgrounds just because it is a private school and their parents are paying for them to go there. Some have no choice. In most regards however I have heard good things about these schools in my area.
     
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    I have worked in a christian school and loved it there. It was a great atmosphere and the admin was great. The only problem was the pay....Which I know varies depending on where you are etc.

    I was in an evangelical school, not a catholic school. I would look into catholic schools if for some reason I had to stop working at my current school.

    I would also worry a little about catholic schools closing. I know lots do very well, but there is always danger that the school will not have enough people to support it.
     
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    At a local catholic school the bullying was rampant. The child blamed was always the one being picked on as "boys would be boys" mentality prevailed. It also catered to the parents that volunteered the most unless their child was the one being bullied. I knew several kids that were pulled from the school. Although they were known for a great education, some of the kids that left were behind. Others were ahead because of parental intervention. Many kids graduated out of that school with egos that were huge because they were the BMOCs. They came out with the attitude they were better.

    They got rid of the principal and things changed drastically over the next few years. The new principal got rid of some teachers and changed the culture of the school for the better. The attitude of the students changed, the problems in the school mostly resolved, and the school now is getting a better reputation.

    Not all schools are alike and not all schools are the same over the years.
     
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    Like another poster mentioned, would you be switching to regular ed? I know for sure that the catholic schools around where I grew up in OH didn't have special education programs, unless that's changed in the past few years. In my part of OH Catholic all boy or all girl schools were extremely popular. I had a job at a local gym and out of 75 or so other hs-aged employees, I was one of the very few who went to public school. I know those kids were absolutely WILD...I was frankly pretty shocked when I started working there. However, it's possible that they tone it down when they're actually in school. I went to a pretty highly ranked public school. What's funny is that in my specific suburb, kids were sent to Catholic school to "shape up" if they were getting into too much trouble in public school. It was seen as a punishment. I had three friends whose parents sent them to one of the catholic schools for a year because they'd been caught underage drinking. I've never heard of anyone being expelled, and I know that some people I worked with caused a world of trouble at school. I think it would be much easier than a public inner city school, but I honestly think as far as behavior the suburban public schools are probably your best bet. Pay is also a factor...the Catholic schools pay horribly in comparison to public. They start at about 10k below public school salary schedules and very rarely get any kind of a raise. My mom works in one and she makes under 30k after about 15 years of full time teaching. I also had a couple of friends that started in the local catholic schools and ended up leaving for a year because they couldn't survive on the salary. I know one was making 24,000 a year when the local public district paid 37,000 for first year teachers.
     

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