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Discussion in 'General Education' started by whizkid, Apr 7, 2018.

  1. ChildWhisperer

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    "People don't leave jobs, they leave managers"
     
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    27k salary isnt bad i would stick with it
     
  3. futuremathsprof

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    A very thorough and informative explanation. Well put!
     
  4. Master Pre-K

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    “Good managers manage work; bad managers manage people. Many a manager has ruined a good employee. Like bad relationships, we may be seeking or avoiding previous drama. Fear of rejection leads to fights and flight. Money and location are not the only motivations to moving.

    Happiness is not a job, it comes from within. If you are content in your state of mind, nothing else matters. What works for you in your current state, and the state you’re in may not cut it for me.

    Life is a temporary assignment. We are all subs, waiting for the next call. You may be perfectly happy until your supt. or manager leaves, and everything changes. One day, a week, a year or even 10 years can end before we know it. We can still uproot ourselves, and grow somewhere else.
     
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  5. ChildWhisperer

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    That's very little. You can make more than that working at a daycare. I made almost 29k at a daycare in 2012-2013
     
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    Here are my goals: A) get a reading specialist job for September 2018 (if possible) or teach some combination of third - fifth grade (at various points until I can get a reading specialist job) and then B) become a reading coach, which is more of an administrative position, later in my career (more toward retirement age.)
    That's my plan!
    Now I just need to get a job. And I'd like to work in New York.
    :D
     
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    Agreed. 27k is nothing, practically. That’s what I make a year tutoring part-time only working 8-10 hours a week... :eek:

    Furthermore, it’s not much higher than poverty level in my home state — minimum wage earners here currently earn $21,120/year in California...
     
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    Yes, work in NY. It’s way better than Arizona and teachers have way more perks there, like being paid a liveable wage. A reading specialist job sounds perfect for you! And an admin in the making, to boot. You’ll be making six figures in no time, haha!
     
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    I have no desire to be a principal, but I am working on my admin cert, which I will need to have a central office type of position. At the same time, I would mind working as a professor. To be honest, that is not something I would have thought would have ever interested me. Even last year I didn't want to get my admin cert, but apparently, I will need it to keep my current position.
     
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    I keep hearing this phrase “central office type of position” and I have no idea what it means. Could you elaborate, please?
     
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    District staff that are responsible for day to day management of all the schools.
     
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    I currently sub in my hometown so I get to hang out with my old teachers when I'm in the building. The other day I was talking with my Spanish teacher about NY vs. Arizona and she was SHOCKED. I think teachers in NY, who are not familiar with anywhere else in the world, take for granted the benefits and perks that they do actually have. I mean you can claim that we don't spend enough $ on education, but it's pitiful in Arizona. I once looked at a map of pupil spending in the country and it's just really sad how unequal the funding is. Why do kids in AZ have to suffer with a measly few thousand dollars per student (which doesn't buy much,) vs. kids in NY where they spend $$$. I realize it's related to tax base and cost of living, but I have to say a lot of the students in NY's schools have WAY MORE than my kiddos in AZ could even dream of. And yeah talking about working conditions in NY vs. AZ is way above some people's heads if they are not familiar with different systems. After discussing it, she asked, "So should I be grateful for what I have in NY?" I said, "Yes, you should!''
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    I think teachers being shocked about what they do have is true school to school even in the same state. I know there is a level of perspective I have having taught in a different school that many teachers I work with who have spent their whole career in one location don't have.
     
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    Yes! Like teaching in NYC vs. rural NY. Different worlds!
    Absolutely!
    And many / most of my teachers were born and raised in the area and if they taught anywhere else, it was like in the next town 10 miles down the road.
    We actually ended up talking about charter schools (because they exist in NY) and they were shocked by them as well. I like having the experiences I have because it does give me perspective.
    :)
     
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    Yes! I started working in my hometown, where I had lived my entire life & moved back to after college, so when I moved 2.5 hours south, it was a like a big culture shock. Kids that were considered average in my hometown were considered "genius" level at my new job.
    I still remember setting up the room with my new assistant and I pointed out a puzzle that I thought were for babies. And she gave me a weird look and said I could do what I wanted with it. So I put it away .. After the first day of school, I brought it back out :rolleyes:
    I had one boy who I thought was at the level he was supposed to be, but all my coworkers kept saying how smart he was and how he'd be valedictorian and he's probably a genius. I told them all no, that he'd be your average 4-year-old up north.
    I feel like I have to teach 1st Grade here to get to the level of Pre-K at my old school(s)
     
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    I was having this conversation with my Spanish teacher the other day too. I feel like my third graders in Arizona were SMARTER and more prepared than the third graders I see here in my hometown in NY. She pointed out how interesting (paradoxical) that is given the instability of teachers out there and the lack of properly qualified educators. I said, "this is true, but the teachers who ARE there are very dedicated and bust their ass to get the job done.'' This isn't always true here. Back there we were constantly setting goals and tracking data to ensure that students MASTERED the standards... here that isn't the case. The teachers shallowly cover it and move on, resulting in really under prepared and low performing students. And in NY they have ALL kinds of technology and resources, but it just provides that the TEACHER makes a huge impact in students' development. A computer cannot replace an effective teacher!
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    Thank you!
     
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    You are welcomed futuremathsprof,

    A typical school district may include 3-20 schools. Elementary schools are totally separate from high schools districts. Sometimes, a preschool/State Pre-K/Preschool For All program may be included in the elementary school. These preschool teachers have all the rights, privileges and benefits that other faculty enjoy. Also, the preschool program may be a stand alone building, or LOL :rolleyes: housed in the central office. Of course, they are supervised by the Early Childhood Coordinator.

    You make have 3 or 4 primary - K-2, K-5 buildings, and then 1 or two middle school or junior high 6-8th. The district or central office houses all the head honchos that keep the ball rolling. Your school may be lucky or unfortunate enough to be near or housed in this building. You have the superintendent, and his secretary. Might be an Asst. Supt. also. Enrollment Coordinator brings kids in, and makes sure they are in the school boundaries. Transportation sets up and keeps school buses running. May be outsourced, or district may maintain their own fleet. Also includes school vehicles for other services. Health Services makes sure everyone is up to date with immunizations, places and supervises school nurses. Then there's the substitute coordinator. And, the Education Coordinator/Curriculum and instruction director - who help design the materials and scope and sequence of what is taught - sometimes with or without input from faculty. Might be a Public Relations person who keeps the district on the good side of the media, and begs for tax increases, and donations. Printing Services runs copies that you can't do in the school. The finance director, and everyone's friend or foe - the payroll person. Personnel or H.R. is also housed there. You see them first, and unfortunately, on your way out. Personal note: Don't go up looking for Payroll or Personnel people without an appointment, they don't take kindly to teachers visiting them unannounced. :oops:

    Facilities Specialist takes care of building issues. Custodians work year round, so that's a big department.Communications and IT keep everything humming smoothly. Special Ed. Coord. is another position, might be one for each school. Food Services is a changing program. Some schools are now outsourcing this to independent companies that prepare gourmet lunches :cool:.

    These jobs are 8-5, following the school holidays and breaks. Some staff members work during the summer as well.
     
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    Wait what. Where I'm from and where I am now, the school districts go from ECE through high schools in one district. They are not separate districts
     
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    Disclaimer, this is just some places where I've worked. Different in different places. One suburb has 4 separate districts. One of those districts is a one school district.
     

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