Career Advancement

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  1. Always__Learning

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    I don't think people should go into administration or academia because of the money. In most locations, administrators do not make much more than teachers when you consider hours worked and responsibility. Where I am going for a "District" job is not a permanent thing - for teachers or for administrators - the expectation is that they take the experience and bring it back to a school after a period of time.
     
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    Imo, that's exactly why most do. We can sing the "we have a vision, we're here for children" game all day, but in the end, it's mostly about the money. I mean, we should just be upfront about it. That's a major reason for me because, well, I want to do better in life and I've worked for it. I can still affect student achievement given the right position, but I'd be disingenuous if I didn't just acknowledge that I'm looking out for my own financial well-being. Like my health, no one is going to look out for it but me.
     
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    It’s okay to go into a career for the sake of money. I love teaching mathematics but I also love making money. There’s nothing wrong with that. Many people go into careers all the time and base their decision on the amount of money they can make.
     
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    Exactly.
     
  5. whizkid

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    And given the cost of living (even in a small area), one would be naive to not consider income or potential income growth.
    Sorry, but I don't want to be one of these people who choose between medication or paying the rent. I don't want SS to be my sole or even main method of paying for living expenses. And I certainly want more than a pension. My own retirement + pension + SS makes me comfortable. I want the option to work after retirement and not have to just to live.
    As such, I would rather the pension of an administrator than that of a teacher in my living area. I have a degree in business management and a degree in school administration, so if I'm going to remain in education, then yes, I have to make the money. $70K and up is what I've worked for and I'm going to get there. Don't get me wrong, one can live and retire comfortably around here at $50K and even less than that, but I've put in the work to make more.
     
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    If you are going into administration for the money, you would be better off financially to work summer school or teaching BEd courses at a university or a hundred other jobs that are available in education on a part-time, add on basis.

    My point is that if you take the number of hours administrators work and divide them by their salary, they do not make more than teachers in most locations.

    I also philosophically don't think people should go into administration for the money (just like I don't think people should go into teaching for the summers off).
     
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    Haha, well, I'd gladly give up the summers for the right payday. ;)
     
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    This is why school-site administration is so unappealing to me. I have no desire to work the kind of hours that site-based administrators work, especially the lower-level admins who are working their way up the ranks. Their base pay is not all that much more than mine, and in some cases it's less. Even with higher salaries, they are working much longer hours than I do, often well into the evenings and over breaks. No thank you, please. At this stage of my life, time is more valuable to me than money. Maybe when I'm older that will change.
     
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    I worked in a childcare site on a college campus. What I liked about it was the innovating designs, great materials, and constant movement of student teachers. We all had a role in developing and supporting students.

    That’s something I might consider again. Campus-based child care. You are in a bubble all day. Everyone is watching you. Less chances for lazy co-workers and violent children to make your life miserable.

    There’s seems to be less scrunity... You have field based teachers and student teachers all the time. They are learning from you! Nobody is trying to correct you all the time. You have a school year with few disruptions, ( no i.e inservice days and report card/parent conference days.) Good pay & benefits, as well as flexible schedules. Because some sites are open evenings, I’d take the night shift, and have my days free!

    I think college & university staff are exempt from pensions. Only the faculty would fall under that drama of no social security benefits.
     
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    I’m curious, how long have you been a teacher and how much do you make? Are you dissatisfied with what you make currently and do you see yourself becoming an administrator?
     
  11. Master Pre-K

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    While working on my Masters, I found many people go for the position of dept. chairperson in high school, and supervising teaching in elementary. Master Teacher is about as high as you can go in early childhood. This was the basis for many of cohorts returning to school. When you make these moves, you get more $, and usually achieving your MA/M.Ed. makes you a serious contender for the job.

    That's about it. No corner office, or bigger desk. Same hours and same location. You don't boss people around. You just get more work. You are expected to lead and get people on board with school-wide, district ideas - but that never happens.

    I believe many of us are content where we are, and some of us strive for higher pay and more flexibility in our work. What is important to note, is that there are other opportunities out there, and many do not require direct involvement with children. You are still impacting the lives of children, without the day-to-day issues of the classroom. Maybe health conditions may warrant a change of scenery as well.

    My brother has his doctorate degree. He is a research specialist, and focuses on improving education for all children. He travels to different schools and puts on workshops. As much as we have different opinions in business and family life, I value his work.

    Moving ahead or moving on is a personal choice. Money is not always a principal motivator.
     
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    In my district DCs don't usually make more. Sometimes they get an additional prep period to take care of DC business, but that's not even a given.
     
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    Are they different from regular daycare centers? Since it's child care, arent they open year round and all day?
    How good is "good pay"?
    The nearest University to me doesn't have a child care site unfortunately
     
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    Salary varies on area, but also depends on education & experience. Not all sites open at night. Most run 7-6pm. You can work full or part time. They follow college schedule- no school means no child care. Junior and community colleges also have on site child care. Lots of one-sided mirrors for observing. Professors & college students in and out all day. Othen than that, basically same as any preschool program.
     
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    Any more than 7 hours I'd say it's all day!
    The community college here pays their child care center teachers a low hourly wage. Their director position was open not too long ago and advertised $11.25 / hour :eek:
     
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    The pay and treatment of Early Childhood Educators in this country is beyond abysmal. There are some very expensive, fancy private preschools in my area, and of course wealthier families send their children there, deepening the divide children then bring to Kinder and beyond.

    A 25+ year veteran teacher just accepted a position in one of the highest-paying districts in the state, maybe the country. I don't fault this person one bit, but I do fault a system that doesn't encourage teachers to stay in the classroom or in their home districts because of the vast inequalities in our schools.
     
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    Fault the school and school district that lost that veteran teacher for having a poopy salary schedule.
     
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    Our salary schedule is on par with other districts in the area -- the other district is in an extremely wealthy area (tech $$). I take issue with the fact that one district is always going to be able to attract and retain the best, most-experienced teachers, while another is going to struggle to hire anybody, just because of the tax base in the area. So a student's education is essentially determined by their zipcode.
     
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    That’s life. There will always be a separation of the classes and people will almost always follow where the money is because it makes fiscal sense to do so. To demonstrate, let’s say at district A the base starting salary is $50,000 and the teacher salary schedule maxes out $80,000. Now let’s say in district B, which is on the opposite side of the same town, teachers start out at $60,000 and the schedule maxes out at $100,000. Why would anyone, especially people who have advanced degrees, want to work at district A starting out or at all for that matter, assuming all else is equal?

    To most people, including myself, money = prosperity and a good life. The more, the better.
     
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