Discussion in 'General Education' started by Tyler B., Sep 5, 2017.
Sep 10, 2017
Can I sign up to speak at a rally for charters and vouchers or would you frown upon that?
I'm much happier with the NEA than I was with the AFT. NEA seems more reasonable and level-headed, while the AFT is more combative... Of course, this is all based on my personal experience. I'm not claiming that it's true across the board.
You're probably in a great state that supports its teachers. I am not. NEA has failed Indiana miserably. NEA has failed a lot of states.
It's not just teachers being destroyed. When we take away services or replace a traditional level of service with a substandard one so that suits may make a profit, we are wrecking the lives of our kids. We are giving away the services we are paying taxes to get—AND STILL PAYING THOSE SAME TAXES!!!
So, I'm past level-headed. NEA should play to win, or get out of the game, but perhaps there's too much money to be made, collecting all those dues without providing services. Huh....Just like my state and its collection of taxes.
My dues at work: (as of 2010, couldn't find update)
Our dues at work:
But there is $$$ to be made. Profit above all else.
That's because salaries go up. The same level of taxes is required to support less people since they now cost more.
I don't think you can put the blame for the gutting of Indiana public education on the NEA. Politicians had to allow or even encourage the destruction.
At least the failings in Indiana will help advocates in other states force a narrowed scope. You should only qualify for a voucher if you'd otherwise have to attend a failing school. Unless I'm wrong, it doesn't seem like that is happening in Indiana. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
One person's garbage is another person's treasure.
(I couldn't resist.)
I certainly do not put all the blame on NEA. Primarily, the blame lies with legislators who have sold out an entire nation to satisfy their own personal greed and ambition. Then there are the corporate interests who are demanding a nation of slaves. NEA has done little to nothing to influence public opinion in favor of the public education our taxes is supposed to provide. In Indiana, NEA rolled over and played dead while legislators publicly demonized teachers and took away labor rights. They did tell us we had to picket outside the state house—while they collected dues.
NEA did not gut public education, but they've done little to fight for it.
Is there a chance some of these people are doing it because they believe it's the right thing to do?
I respect your opinion, but what I think you are saying is the defenders were too weak. Shouldn't you be more angry at the attackers?
I share your grief at the decimation of Indiana schools.
Maybe, if parents and teachers unite and become politically active, some of the damage can be reversed.
Sep 11, 2017
My state doesn't support or not support teachers... It's not really an issue here. Our schools are controlled by local school boards, for the most part. I mean, of course, testing, standards, and funding come from the state, but our school board determines our salaries.
NEA does exactly what I want them to do. Keep me and other members up to date on issues. Provide resources and support where need. Lobby the federal, state, and local governments. And, otherwise, lay low and let me determine how much or how little I want to take advantage of what they offer to me.
Sep 12, 2017
Another new survey about what parents want regarding education was just released; conducted by the highly respected Hart Research Associates. Here's their top 5 findings. Are parents sharing thoughts like these with you?
Parents say public schools are helping their children achieve their full potential and expanding opportunity for low-income and minority children.
Parents want access to a good neighborhood public school much more than increased choice of schools. Their highest priorities for these schools are providing a safe and secure environment, developing their children’s knowledge and skills, and ensuring equal opportunity for all kids.
Parents worry about several trends in education today, including inadequate funding, excessive standardized testing, class size increases, cutting non-academic subjects, teacher turnover, and shifting resources from regular schools to charters and vouchers.
Parents disapprove of Betsy DeVos’ performance as Secretary of Education and reject her “choice” agenda. They express little confidence in either DeVos or Donald Trump as education leaders, instead looking to teachers, principals, and parent organizations for the right ideas for public education.
Parents’ education agenda focuses on investing in traditional public schools, with particular emphasis on expanding access to CTE programs, reducing class size, supporting struggling neighborhood schools, including art and music in curriculums, and providing health and nutrition services. They strongly oppose shifting resources from traditional public schools to fund either charter schools or vouchers.
No need to ruin the story.
I share your skepticism of information from biased sources. However I checked out Hart Research Associates and they are the real deal. Even if the information is biased, it's interesting that voucher legislation usually goes nowhere when the public votes on it. When vouchers are passed by a well-lobbied legislature, few parents take advantage of them. Most often it's parents whose kids already go to a religious school.
I think the survey is spot on when it says parents want a good neighborhood school.
Sep 13, 2017
You've clearly never looked into survey bias. The way things are presented matters. You think people all uniformly would give similar responses?
Polling companies also do polls for conflicting issues. Their job isn't to pick which polls to operate, it's to present the information from those who hire them.
Sep 15, 2017
It is clear that there are many people here who prefer NEA lay low. Those pesky labor rights do stand in the way of profits and demagoguery.
In my state, the NEA ran positive, pro-teacher ads on TV. Maybe that's part of the reason the public's support for neighborhood public schools is going up.
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