American Sniper

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  1. czacza

    czacza Multitudinous

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    You can disagree with the mission, the foreign policy (or lack there of)... But calling a trained military professional a coward for following his orders a coward is ignorant. :2cents:
     
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    I don't always agree with the things our military are asked to do, but I will always support the people who don that uniform for my country.

    I have not read the book so I won't see the movie until I do, but several people I know have seen it and think it was well done.
     
  3. John Lee

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    I agree. Calling him a coward for doing his job (i.e. following orders) is ignorant. But isn't labeling him a hero despite some pretty disturbing behavior on his part ignorant in its own right? Although, since his transgressions are pretty common knowledge, you can't really call it ignorance (not knowing). You would have to call it something else. That's where the blind allegiance (IMO) comes in.
     
  4. John Lee

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    Seth Rogen (a comedian) made a comment comparing the movie to an episode within the Quentin Tarantino movie Inglourious Bastards. First of all, anyone who has seen that movie--I defy you to say that the two aren't actually quite similar on the surface! (movie canonizing a sniper's deeds in war)

    Rogen's comments are not met with the level of understanding one might normally expect (that he is a comedian, and his comment should at least at some level, be taken as such). Instead, it is met overwhelmingly with indignation and vitriol. It's like you simply can't say anything that isn't glowingly "patriotic" and in support of this guy Kyle. Again... Rogen's comment is actually pretty accurate!
     
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    I do look forward to seeing this with my family.
     
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    I knew this would stir up controversy but I strongly feel it is an important enough story to be worth discussion.

    Chris is a hero to me, and to the thousands of soldiers he saved and their families. Taya is a hero to me for surviving everything she and her family have gone through as gracefully as possible. It is okay if he isn't a hero for you. He wasn't a perfect person. None of us are.

    Did he do terrible things? Absolutely - as do most soldiers in combat if they are following orders! It was war. He did more than most because he was better at protecting others than most.

    Did he think and say terrible things? Probably. Wouldn't most of us faced with the constant stress he was under? To do what he did and stay sane you would have to believe the enemy were just that - the enemy.

    Whether you believe it or not, Chris was focused on saving people, and he did what he did to save as many as he could.

    Imo the movie isn't about glorifying a hero, it is about how a real man and his wife deal with the ugly realities of war. We hear about war on the news, we read about it, but it is facts and figures and stuff we get tired of. A story like this, I hope, slaps us in the face and makes us pay attention because it is a raw story about real people facing real ethical dilemmas and we can feel outrage or empathy or whatever for them.

    The point is that we should feel for them, and do something. Anything. Support a local family. Donate to a charity. Protest. Support. Volunteer. Remember the stats we see are real people - not robots in a war machine. They feel. They hurt. They need support whether you support the war or not. This is above politics.
     
  7. physteach

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    Does anyone else see the contradiction here? I'm not one to compare this guy to a Nazi, but this is literally the excuse that Nazi's gave for committing all of the atrocities they did.
     
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    In before the lock.
    This was our first "pre-emptive" war. We claimed stuff in the Gulf of Tonkin in Viet Nam but we claimed WOMD and then couldnt find any. Let's be honest, all soldiers are not heroes. All teachers are not paragons of virtue always imparting knowledge to their students. No one is perfect. When I hear my freedoms are being protected in Afgahnistan I have to think about it. I have HUGE respect for military personnel. Their lives are dictated by people moving them like pawns with sometimes not so much regard for the safety. They literally risk their lives in far away place (that we probably do not belong in). In fact the only charity I give to (and have for many years is) the DAV. That said, dissent finally got us into WW2 and out of Viet Nam. Both good ideas if you ask me. but like I said earlier
    IBTL
     
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    I have not seen the movie yet, but it is definitely on my list to see. Honestly, any man/woman who willingly puts themselves into a life/death situation for others is a hero to me. Are all heroes perfect people with no flaws? Of course not. Neither is Chris Kyle, but he did things that most of us wouldn't dream of.
     
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    Right. I wouldn't dream of doing them because I find them morally reprehensible, or questionable at best. I don't see that as a reason to celebrate his life.
     
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    He was following orders. He might not have agreed with those orders, but it was his duty to do so. And I'm not just talking about what he did during war either. It takes a special person to work with soldiers with PTSD. He did it, even knowing the risks.
     
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    I have not seen the movie and take NO position on the man or the film.


    Just taking orders, though, is not a good excuse. It's the same excuse the Nazis gave when they defended genocide.
     
  13. John Lee

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    Why should this thread be locked? No personal attacks (yet :p), and it is a relevant and pretty important topic.

    The differing opinions here, seem much more in-line with what I would expect. Pretty cool!
     
  14. czacza

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    :wow:
     
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    This is an interesting thread. I'm curious about the movie, but haven't decided if I will see it. I've recently met a soldier who is suffering from PTSD and have heard first hand what it is like for him and his family. He is such a kind man and my heart breaks for him.
     

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