American Sniper

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  1. scmom

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    See it! It is one of the most thought provoking movies you will see, that highlights the terrible cost of war, and that we need to do a much better job of supporting our military when they serve and when they return. We also need to support families who also pay a terrible price.

    The movie is not intended to glorify or condemn war. It is simply the story of an amazing family and, really, thousands of families.

    I was stunned by the attention to detail and reality of the movie. I know the family and it was true to their experience and spirit. I saw it at the charity opening on Wed. and can't get it out of my head. Go see it (without kids)!
     
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    You and I got very different things out of the movie. I hated it, and would not recommend it to anyone.

    I do not know the family, but from what I have read, it was not an accurate portrayal of the sniper himself, and glossed over some of the less pleasant parts of his personality in order to create a hero.

    The whole thing made me very uncomfortable, as does the racist dribble it seems to be inspiring on the Internet. What the movie seems to do is not to persuade a person, but to reveal how a person really feels about the current war. Unfortunately, a very vocal minority are using it as a rationale for their racism...
     
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    This. I was uncomfortable with his racism and some of his (in my opinion) psychopathic comments on being a sniper. The fact that the movie seemed to either get rid of these or gloss them over makes me feel like it is not okay.
     
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    I watched it over the weekend (along w/ Woman in Black 2). I knew nothing about Chris Kyle before...never even heard of him. But then again, I'm not into military movies. I'm sure it wasn't always an accurate portrayal of him. It was so-so. My BF wanted to watch it, otherwise, I never would have.

    The point in the movie when he shot their sniper from that far distance, some people in the theatre clapped.
     
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    I agree with you, scmom....... This is a movie worth seeing.
     
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    It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.


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    This is so weird, because I'm not regularly on these forums anymore. But I wanted to come on today, because I was wondering about this movie. Particularly, there is some backlash against comments (tweets) made by Michael Moore, apparently directed toward this subject. This is not to hijack or make this about Michael Moore. Rather, I was so dumbfounded as to the level of vitriol and opposition to the viewpoint expressed by Moore... and the comments that made by posters here, which I frankly did not expect here.

    Anyway, if you put aside his comment (which he elaborated on, trying to put water on it), his overall point was that Kyle (as the imperialistic "invader") is not necessarily the hero as he's being portrayed. Which I happen to tend to agree with (though to be honest: I don't know much about the story). I think there is certainly enough though, to doubt this guy and the way he's generally portrayed (as an American hero).

    Yet the comments/attacks on Moore were so one-sided--it surprised me. As a self-proclaimed student of history, it sort of makes me think about how (perhaps) people in 1930 Germany may have been attacked, for commenting against the Nazi regime. Or how (maybe) people in colonial and Civil War era America may have been attacked for making comments against racism and slavery. (It has always confused me, how societies would ever fall in-line with such obviously misguided policies.)

    I think of Moore's general position, saying that we are invaders and (as such) are the "bad guys" in many instances and ways. This is really difficult to refute, if you look at things objectively (i.e. through the lens of history. When history defines this era of world history, and it is cited that America has military bases in over 100 countries around the world, that America military spending absolutely dwarfs the rest of the world even though we've never had our continental soil EVER invaded)... I just can't imagine how that will come off as anything positive or benevolent.

    And so, when a guy like Moore expresses a viewpoint in opposition to the military and is derided and insulted and attacked, I wonder if we're living in a time similar (in its own way) to those eras that I mentioned. I'm not saying I'm right, but it just sort of struck me, reading comments today.
     
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    Perfect. :thumb:
     
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    John, seems to me you have completely hijacked this thread from the OP (scmom). The thread is about American Sniper, the movie not MM's viewpoint about an American hero. For what it's worth sniper's have been part of military strategy for hundreds of years.

    ...... In any event I suggest we return to the thread that scmom started.
     
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    Are you serious? I think his post is VERY relevant to the movie.
     
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    Yes, I'm serious.
     
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    I watched the movie with my war hero husband sitting a row behind other military vets. You can imagine our take away was quite different from thse who have little understanding of the military lifestyle, PTSD, or what as happended in Fallujah since our withdrawal.


    Equating the US military with Nazi Germany is not particularly relevant to the movie and it's quite disrespectful of the military, military family members here on the forums and is just a 'bit' ignorant :2cents: admittedly coming fom someone who stated he "though to be honest: I don't know much about the story"...
     
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    You are highlighting my point. It is to say that there seems to be NO ROOM to disagree, when it comes to the subject of our military, and that confuses me. In this particular case, the subject in question (Kyle) has his own warts, making the seemingly unanimous affirmation of him even more puzzling.

    I apologize for citing the Nazis, because that always takes eyes off the ball. I'm not trying to equate our military to the Nazis... not at all. I'm possibly equating the attitudes of the people within that culture (unanimous approval of what seems to be a debatable topic), to the attitudes Americans have about our military and any dissenting opinions.
     
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    You can disagree with the mission, the foreign policy (or lack there of)... But calling a trained military professional a coward for following his orders a coward is ignorant. :2cents:
     
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    I don't always agree with the things our military are asked to do, but I will always support the people who don that uniform for my country.

    I have not read the book so I won't see the movie until I do, but several people I know have seen it and think it was well done.
     
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    I agree. Calling him a coward for doing his job (i.e. following orders) is ignorant. But isn't labeling him a hero despite some pretty disturbing behavior on his part ignorant in its own right? Although, since his transgressions are pretty common knowledge, you can't really call it ignorance (not knowing). You would have to call it something else. That's where the blind allegiance (IMO) comes in.
     
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    Seth Rogen (a comedian) made a comment comparing the movie to an episode within the Quentin Tarantino movie Inglourious Bastards. First of all, anyone who has seen that movie--I defy you to say that the two aren't actually quite similar on the surface! (movie canonizing a sniper's deeds in war)

    Rogen's comments are not met with the level of understanding one might normally expect (that he is a comedian, and his comment should at least at some level, be taken as such). Instead, it is met overwhelmingly with indignation and vitriol. It's like you simply can't say anything that isn't glowingly "patriotic" and in support of this guy Kyle. Again... Rogen's comment is actually pretty accurate!
     
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    I do look forward to seeing this with my family.
     

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