Discussion in 'Second Grade' started by corney, Jan 19, 2009.
Jan 19, 2009
But of course cutNglue has said it much better.
I bring this up often for posts like this, but have you had her vision tested with a developmental optometrist. They give specific vision tests that check beyond just a person's acuity (clearness of vision) that regular optometrists do not do. They can check for tracking, depth perception, binocularity, etc., etc. Often vision problems can manifest itself in behavioral problems - definently not always, but it's worth checking out so that you can rule it out as a possible cause.
Jan 20, 2009
I'll be looking for this video, cutNglue.
MrsC...I've seen the video cut is talking about and totally agree with her about the fact that it should be required watching for any person who deals with kids in any capacity. I'm dyslexic myself, and as such, should have a better idea about kids with certain issues, but it was a real eye opener even for me.
This sounds like something my staff needs to see at a staff meeting--I'm putting in a call to see if we have it in our Professional Library.
Thanks everyone. I will look at for this video both in school and at the library. And I will work with my daughter at home in a more fun way. The question was asked if I still read to her. Yes I read books that are more difficult like Skippy Johnjones. I have trouble with some of the words, but she likes the stories. Other wise I have her read her own books. She also has a Nintendo DS with the Big Brain game, because her grades are so bad I only allow her to play that game and not the others..
I found the video on the PBS site for 10.00. I ordered a copy. My SIL is a kindergarten teacher, I'm sure she will benefit from watching it as well. If my daughter'ss school doesn't have it I will loan it them. If it's as good as the reviews here and on the site I'm sure they will benefit from viewing it as well.. Thanks for the tip.
Magazines--My daughter gets her own magazine delivered to our home. She can't wait to read them. She will discuss them with me and really seems to understand them.
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You've been given some great ideas about reading -- especially the one about magazines. (Make sure they are written for her age, or they will be too hard.)
When it comes to handwriting, here are a few things --
--first, I wouldn't have her write on an unlined whiteboard. It just makes things worse. (Now a printing tracer book on whiteboard paper -- that would be better -- available from Walmart for cheap....)
--you say that she knows her uppercase and lower case letters. That is great -- but does she start them in the correct place and follow through correctly in terms of directionality? One of the main reasons children struggle with handwriting is because of the overuse of tracer sheets in lower grades. Tracer sheets only work if someone is watching the child use them and makes sure she is starting in the correct place and has the correct directionality. Otherwise, they are a waste of time, and often make things so much worse.
I would watch her print some things, and make sure she is starting in the correct place, and moving in the correct direction. (If you aren't sure about that, pm me and I'll try to explain it.)
--Is you daughter right- or left-handed? Are you right- or left-handed?
--Are you using dotted midline paper? If she's using plain notebook paper, go back to dotted midline paper. You can get it in a variety of sizes. Start with 2nd grade size, and you can eventually move on to what is called 3rd grade size (although no-one I know in 3rd grade still uses it...) Then make absolutely sure her letters are in the correct place on the midlines (for example, b's reach all the way to the top line with the loop touching the midline, t's crossed on the midline, etc.)
If your daughter loves horses, you simply must get this book for her! It was my favorite book as a child, and it has recently been re-released.
Little Black, A Pony by Walter Farley
Here is what it looked like when I was a little girl -- http://www.amazon.com/Little-Black-...r_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232476592&sr=1-14
Raising my hand, yes you were summoned for me.. Thanks
I'll start at the bottom and work up.. talk about directionality.. yes she has brought home Little Black, A Pony from school and we did read it.. she did well.
Ok the writing. No she doesn't always use the correct directionality cause she goes to fast. But has gotten better because I keep on her about it.. when I saw her using the wrong approach I would have her practice those letters over and over again to break the habits.. she is getting much better. here teacher is taking off points if the spelling words don't meet the correct heights and directions. That has also helped. Practice Practice Practice is what I do with her now.. it's getting better. She really needs to slow down.. part of that habit is always being times in school.. that is a pet peve of mine with them.. yes the book I have has dotted midline paper, and she uses that in school. The one issue is word placement, she tends to run the words together, she doesn't space the words well, the teacher have used spacers but she isn't grasping the concept very well. There is size..she goes from large to small in one sentence not capital or lower case, just size in general, it isn't consistant She is right handed and so am I. I wish I could give an example of what her writing looks like..
OK-- I have a student that can't write in his journal because of penmanship. We started a computer journal this month. He is doing wonderful. He doesn't spend so much time worrying about the correct formation. He can focus on content. He is even catching his own spelling mistakes. I turned the spell check off of his program. He is only 6 and is in T-1, but the same thought counts.
Well, if she's in 2nd grade now, you just have to look at it this way ... she's had 2 years of doing it "the wrong way" -- too fast, wrong direction, inconsistent spacing and letter size. The problem isn't going to go away over night.
It sounds like you are doing the right things -- I guess you just need to stay with them consistently over the next 8-10 months. That is about how long it will take -- with consistent practice and good motivation. There is no quick fix.
Make writing fun. Before she writes, have her 'draw' huge circles in the air, first with one arm, then with the other. Next, practice drawing large circles on paper - in varied colors. Reverse directions, too. This helps stimulate the right/left integration of hemispheres.
You can buy white boards with lines on them. You could also use a piece of lined paper inside a clear-vue folder.
Play games like - how are these two things alike/different? Draw what would happen next. Give clues and have her guess the main idea (the sky got darker, I saw spots in the pool .... it was raining). Leave notes for each other. Let her count the change in your purse every day. Estimate how many candies are in a jar. Get her a pen pal. Buy her a journal (or let her pick one out) and encourage her to write every day. Don't limit what she can write about.
Is she young for her grade (summer birthday) by chance? What part of FL do you come from? I'm in PB County, but private school.
Jan 21, 2009
Thanks for the suggestions.. she does have a journal, I'll have her write something in it every day, even if it's just one sentence. We will try the other suggestions too
Changing subjects a little:
Last night we saw her homeroom teacher in the grocery store. We talked a little about her attitude and I watched my daughters body language when the teacher talked to her, it was distant and uninterested, as if she just tuned her out. She only has this teacher for a few minutes in the morning and for centers throughout the day, the rest of the time she is with the ESE teacher. How do we get her out of the I really dislike school mind set.. She really is a very smart bright child, she just chooses to give up when she feels the going is tough. She always says she is bored, but when something challanging comes along she gives up on it and won't follow through and figure it out. I have a jump start program she plays with on the computer. She was doing a spelling exercise, she had trouble with it so I helped her get started. Once the first exercise was over she stopped playing it because she said it was too hard.. all she had to do was follow the pattern of the words all the letters were in bubbles for her to choose from.
As for age, her birthday is in November, she started a year later. We are in Levy Co.
I'm sorry, but I go back to the issue of possible vision problems. I would highly suggest taking her to get her vision checked with a developmental optometrist, not just a regular optometrist as a developmental optometrist has different tests that are given.
Here is a link to a parent survey to see if your child may have vision problems: http://www.children-special-needs.org/parenting/eyesight_eye_care.html
Based upon your previous posts which mentioned Levy Co, Florida, this is what I found: http://www.superpages.com/yellowpages/C-Developmental+Vision+Optometrists/S-FL/
I don't know how accurate the above listings are (as I am in CA), but hopefully it's a start. In any case, the familyeyecarevt.com link has excellent information about developmental optometry in general.
I certainly don't know the specifics of your daughter's case, but as a teacher and parent of children who have received care from a developmental optometrist I think it is a good option to check out. If all is well, then at least you know you can rule vision problems out as possibility. Good luck with your daughter.
Thanks, I will check in to it for sure..
Hehe, I have to say this part though....
Just because little kiddos don't look interested in their teacher when they are in public or even in front of you, doesn't mean they aren't. In this case, you might be right but I never use that as an indicator. I have kids that are quite shy or "too cool" to associate with me yet are the most affectionate kids I have. It can be very interesting!
Jan 22, 2009
LOL, I see where you are coming from.. she is an affectionate child in school and does seek the attention in sutle ways. She is very unsure of herself academically and trys to kill them with kindness. However, I get the feeling if she doesn't try they allow her to just sit there and do nothing, that I don't like.
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