6th grade = No longer middle school!

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  1. YoungTeacherGuy

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    For many decades, middle school has been grades 6-8 in my school district. However, beginning August 2015, elementary will be grades K-6 and middle school will be grades 7-8.

    Middle school administrators are STOKED because they'll have far fewer students. Elementary administrators aren't too happy because we'll have about 120 extra students per site (due to our current 5th graders not leaving). Middle schools will continue to have 1 principal and 2 VPs; elementary schools will maintain status quo: 1 principal and 1 VP.

    It seems like most parents are happy that their children will be in elementary for one more year, though.

    All 6th grade teachers will be "displaced" from their middle schools and moved to elementary sites.

    This next school year should be an interesting one! :dizzy:
     
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    I didn't realize that so many schools had 6th grade in the middle school until I started student teaching and subbing. The district I grew up in has 6th grade as elementary and has always had it there. I actually have yet to teach a 6th grade middle school class, so it's just a really interesting concept to me.

    It seems like it's definitely easier for parents, especially if they have younger elementary kids as well so the older ones can walk them home haha.
     
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    In my district, most elementary schools are K-6, but we do have one Middle School that is 6-8. I worked with 6th graders for two years before moving to third. Honestly... I know this is absolutely not a workable solution, but the best time for kiddos to switch buildings would be at Christmas Break. Those kids change over the break. They go home in December as elementary kids, and they come back as middle schoolers.
     
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    My elementary license is 1-6. I student taught in 6th. It wasn't considered middle school until a few years after I graduated. Secondary ED was always 7-12. I think that is still the norm in my state.
     
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    When I was in San Diego I always heard that 6th grade was middle school. Then I moved to this area and in one class this came up and my students were adamant that 6th grade is elementary.

    6th grade has always been a debate whether it's elementary or middle. OP, your school should have some extra funding for the extra kids.
     
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    Sounds like a big change!

    In my district we have:
    Elementary K-4
    Intermediate 5-6
    Middle 7-8

    I like it this way, because I feel like 5th and 6th graders are too old for elementary school, but too immature for middle school. Our intermediate school teachers do a great job of helping them transition from an elementary classroom to a secondary classroom setting.
     
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    Growing up my school district was K-6. We then moved to Jr. High, 7-9. My senior year things shifted and 6-8 became middle school and 9-12 high school. I started as a 6th grade tracher in one of few elementary building that still have 6th grade.
    I think at the very least each elementary building should get another VP to help with the additional population. Or VPs can be assigned by school,population like they do here. We have to have 500 students to get 1 VP, and 650 to get a second one. Schools with less than 500 students dont have a VP at all.
     
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    My school is PreK-8, but we have a separate building for 6-8. The few standalone middle schools my district has are also 6-8.

    6th graders are special. I think as long as their teams consider their social/emotional needs specifically, it doesn't matter who else is in the building.

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    This seems excessive. Why do you need THREE administrators for 2 grade levels? That AP should go to the elementary taking on 6th. My school as 1,300 kids in Prek-8th with 1 P and 3 APs, 1 AP for each grade band. I feel like that makes more sense.
     
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    My district went through that about 15 years ago. Then, several years later, we made all the elementary schools K-8.

    Get ready for a logistical nightmare regarding desks, books, buildings, etc.

    For example, I'll bet the middle school sixth grade teachers share a lot of stuff - books, PE equipment, technology, etc.

    But once the teachers are at different sites, they can't share these things anymore. If there is no budget for purchasing these things, then you may very soon have kids sitting on the floor with no books.

    I taught sixth grade the year they moved the sixth graders back to elementary. I ended up with a set of math books from two different math programs - 15 books each. For all intents and purposes, I had no books that year.

    Is sixth grade at the middle school departmentalized? Hopefully not, otherwise you have serious union issues. You'll probably have union issues anyway.
     
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    I didn't know that 6th grade was considered middle school until I started teaching in my current district. When I was a student, elementary school was K-6, junior high was 7-9, and high school was 10-12. I really liked that setup as a student.
     
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    Yes--it's departmentalized. For example, when I was a 6th grade teacher, I taught ELA/Social Studies "Core" and had students for two periods at a time. All 6th grade teachers teach three 2 period long core classes consisting of one of the following: ELA/Social Studies, Math/Science, or PE/Study Skills.

    All 6th grade teachers will go from having kiddos for two 50 minute blocks to having one group of students for an entire day! :dizzy:
     
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    We were k-6, 7-8, 9-12 until 1988. Then we moved to k-4, 5-6, 7-8, and 9-12. In 1998 we changed to k-5, 6-8, 9-12. Last year we went to pre-k/k, 1/2, 3-5, 6-8, 9-12.

    I'd rather see 7-9 together than 6-8. Our 8th grades are too worldly for the 6th graders.
     
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    Wait, they're moving to self-contained 6th?

    Can't the 6th grade teachers still semi-departmentalize in the elementary school? It'd be good for kids to switch at least once....maybe a math/sci teacher and a LA/SS teacher. It will shock them when they suddenly start switching in 7th!
     
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    As a former 6th grade teacher, my only response to this is: "Oh, hell no!!!"

    Here, Elem is K-5, MS is 6-8 and HS is 9-12. The district wants to move to only having K-8 and 9-12 schools to deal with building/maintenance costs and issues but many people are resistant, so they are also considering only having K-5/K-6 and 6-12/7-12 schools.

    I've taught MS in K-8 schools and in a 6-12 school and I don't like either model; I think MS should be an entirely separate entity.
     
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    My district is K-4 and 5-8.
     
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    In the district I live in/student taught in, we have:
    PreK & K (Neither are required, but the majority attend a Kindergarten program)
    Three 1-4 schools
    Two 5-6 schools
    One 7-8 school
    One HS (9-12)
     
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    I'm pretty sure my kids went to the same district for a few years. If I'm correct, it's now k-5, 6-8, and 9-12.

    That's also how it was broken up when I was in school. My kids' current district is k-6, 7-8, and 9-12.
     
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    How did students get enough credits to graduate?
     
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    I don't think the students have to switch classes in elementary school to handle switching in middle. I have taught middle and elementary. In 5th grade, elementary, I've taught departmentalized and self-contained. In my district, when they go to middle school in 6th, they have seven teachers. We've never had complaints that the students can't handle the change when they've come from self-contained in elementary. I personally prefer self-contained over departmentalization for a number of reasons.
     
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    I didn't know districts didn't do K-6 until I moved away from Sacramento, CA. I grew up with K-6 at the elementary level, 7-8 as middle school, and 9-12 as high school. The districts near me in KS are generally K-5 with 6-8 as middle school.
     

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